Started By
Message
locked post

Reversible dynamics with closed time-like curves and freedom of choice

Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104110 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:44 pm
quote:

The dominant paradigm in physics relies on the idea that systems evolve through time according to dynamical laws, with the state at a given time determining the entire history of the system.

General relativity challenges this view. The Einstein equations, describing the relationship between spacetime geometry and mass-energy [1], have counterintuitive solutions containing closed time-like curves (CTCs) [2–17]. An event on such a curve would be both in the future and in the past of itself, preventing an ordinary formulation of dynamics according to an 'initial condition' problem. The question then arises whether some more general type of dynamics is possible.

Although it is an open question whether CTCs are possible in our Universe [18–22], considering dynamics beyond the ordinary temporal view is relevant to other research areas as well. In a theory that combines quantum physics with general relativity, it is expected that spacetime loses its classical properties [23, 24], possibly leading to indefinite causal structures [25–27]. In a quite different direction, it has been suggested that quantum physics could be reduced to some kind of 'retrocausal' classical dynamics [28–39].

The main problem arising when abandoning ordinary causality is the so called 'grand father paradox' [40]: a time traveller could kill her own grandfather and thus prevent her own birth, leading to a logical inconsistency. A popular approach holds that the grandfather paradox makes CTCs incompatible with classical physics, while appropriate modifications to quantum physics could restore consistency [41–56]. A common feature of the proposals within this approach is that they postulate a radical departure from ordinary physics even in regions of space-time devoid of CTCs, or in scenarios where the time travelling system does not actually interact with anything in the past [57, 58].

A different approach is the so called 'process matrix formalism', which takes as a starting point the local validity of the ordinary laws of physics and asks what type of global processes are compatible with this assumption [59–74]. This framework enforces that all operations that would normally be possible in ordinary spacetime should still be available in local regions. First considered in the quantum context, this approach has been applied to classical physics too, with the remarkable discovery of classical processes that are incompatible with any causal order between events [75–77].

In reference [78], a classical, deterministic version of the formalism was proposed as a possible model for CTCs. In this model, one considers a set of regions that do not contain any, but might be traversed by, CTCs. Agents in the regions receive a classical state from the past boundary, perform an arbitrary deterministic operation on it, and then send the system through the future boundary. Dynamics outside the regions determines the state each agent will observe in the past of the respective region, as a function of the states prepared by other agents. A simple characterisation was found for all processes involving up to three regions; furthermore, it was found that, for three regions, all non causally ordered processes are essentially equivalent.

In this work, we extend the characterisation of deterministic processes to an arbitrary number of regions. We provide some simple interpretation of the characterisation: when fixing the state on the future of all but two regions, the remaining two must be causally ordered, with only one directional signalling possible. We show, by explicit examples, that there are inequivalent, non causally ordered quadripartite processes, which cannot be reduced to tripartite ones. Our results show that CTCs are not only compatible with determinism and with the local 'free choice' of operations, but also with a rich and diverse range of scenarios and dynamical processes.


TL;DR, time travel is theoretically possible LINK
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
41224 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:48 pm to
Wtf are u blabbing aboot?
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39418 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:51 pm to
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
42228 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:52 pm to
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26115 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:54 pm to
If we build a machine is there a way to prevent us from ever showing up back in 2020 again?
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
7514 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:55 pm to
Multiple time lines baw. I stayed in this one because of Joe Burrow last year. In most of the others he wins the Heisman as a sophomore and junior at Ohio State.
Posted by CredulousChowder
Boone, NC
Member since Sep 2020
161 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 10:57 pm to
Can I go back in time and get back the time I wasted reading that shite?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133408 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:05 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71073 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

Reversible dynamics with closed time-like curves and freedom of choice

You lost, baw?
Posted by BPTiger
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2011
6016 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:53 pm to
quote:

Sir, this is an Arby’s
Posted by BPTiger
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2011
6016 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:02 am to
Very few if anyone will read your link so you should have at least defined “CTC” since it is used so many times in your post.

Also, one interesting thing from the quote is our universe rather than the universe. I don’t know if that is common in science papers now or if it is generally accepted that we live in a multiverse.
Posted by Geekboy
Member since Jan 2004
7090 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:39 am to
Thanks for the link. I now have complete clarity of vision. I am WOKE!!!!
Posted by Geekboy
Member since Jan 2004
7090 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 12:43 am to
quote:

Also, one interesting thing from the quote is our universe rather than the universe.

I hope it’s ‘the’ universe. I just applied for a patent to make ‘the’ universe my sole property.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 5:49 am to
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66879 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 5:52 am to
Later this century, time travel will be considered racist.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6325 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 6:08 am to
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10526 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 6:52 am to
quote:

TL;DR, time travel is theoretically possible


Margot Robbie and myself hooking up is also theoretically possible
Posted by latxwoman
Member since Mar 2019
813 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:21 am to
quote:

Very few if anyone will read your link so you should have at least defined “CTC” since it is used so many times in your post.

Also, one interesting thing from the quote is our universe rather than the universe. I don’t know if that is common in science papers now or if it is generally accepted that we live in a multiverse


Sure do, and we have ways of jumping to or visiting them, but it's a subconscious thing.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
24560 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:29 am to
quote:


TL;DR, time travel is theoretically possible

Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 9/28/20 at 7:36 am to
Einstein recognized that the math of physics and the physical world can differ. While everything that exists can be described by math, not everything that math describes can exist.

Only time travel into the future is possible, and it’s a one-way trip.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 2Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram