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re: Father Must Pay $5K a Month So His Ex-Wife Can "Transition" His Son!

Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:57 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:57 pm to
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The initial case was the father requesting sole medical decision making authority for his son because of the mothers repeated attempts at sexual abuse.
And that was apparently NOT presented to the jury. Why? 99.9% of the time, it is because the litigant did not ask that it go to the jury.

PROBABLY he and his attorney made a tactical decision to pin their hopes on JMC rather than SMC and not to confuse the jury with something on which they saw themselves as having little chance of success.



Let's be clear here. This is a fascinating case, which presents lots of interesting legal and factual questions.

It also presents some interesting questions about strategy and tactics ... and about the litigant's budget.

I have said dozens of times that I disagree with transitioning a pre-pubescent child. I have posted info from Drs. Zucker and Soh on that topic many, many times.

But my personal preferences on the broader questions are irrelevant to simple questions of procedural status.
This post was edited on 8/13/20 at 10:03 pm
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:02 pm to
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PROBABLY he and his attorney made a tactical decision to pin their hopes on JMC rather than SMC and not to confuse the jury with something on which they saw themselves as having little chance of success.


So you agree with all the posters here that judge this a failing of the court system that there is even a possibility for this slag to retain any influence over the son she is abusing.

Unless you are defending the mothers position as worthy of equal regard in the eyes of the law.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:02 pm to
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The son will hate mom when he gets older, and he'll hate his dad if he lets this happen.


The longer this child is indoctrinated with this “transgender” insanity, the greater the odds that this young life will end in a suicide.

The transgender suicide epidemic: Over 41 percent of active 'transgender' people try to kill themselves. That's 10x the average suicide attempt rate: Is accepting their confusion really the answer?
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:05 pm to
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So you agree with all the posters here that judge this a failing of the court system that there is even a possibility for this slag to retain any influence over the son she is abusing.
I think that the mother has immersed herself in the "popular" notion of "affirming gender choices" at an age when children do not even UNDERSTAND gender. I think she would be well served to spend some time over drinks with Drs. Zucker and Soh.

So would dad.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:05 pm to
We can all hope, as oml eloquently put it, that this brutality is someday viewed as the lobotomy of our time.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:06 pm to
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I have taken no side, but I pretty clearly indicated that I disagree with Mom's attempt to transition a pre-pubescent child.


As should any rational judge or legitimate court.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:07 pm to
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I think that the mother has immersed herself in the "popular" notion of "affirming gender choices" at an age when children do not even UNDERSTAND gender. I think she would be well served to spend some time over drinks with Drs. Zucker and Soh.

So would dad.



I asked about the failings of the court
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:10 pm to
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that the kids probably need pretty badly.


Gee, you think? The boy’s mother only wants to sexually mutilate the child.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:14 pm to
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My son would be better off with me being in jail and my ex being dead than to let him be tortured like that.



Unfortunately I think in that case the kid would end up with neither parent but then the wonderful court would make damned sure Bobby finished the transition to Sussie. And it’d make the news so two purple haired nose ringed non-binary bull dykes would adopt him and make sure he grows up embracing his new female form and at the same time hating you and all all things male.
Posted by obdobd918
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:16 pm to
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It is insane to me that transition surgery is legal for children under 18.

It absolutely should be banned.

only adults should be allowed to choose to get surgery.


The judge should be removed from the bench for such a ruling.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:21 pm to
Unfortunately corporate America is just as much in the hands of these nutcases as the media and churches have eroded and Republican politicians are completely spineless so welcome to the future,
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:22 pm to
Keep voting Democrat, America !!

We are almost there !

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:24 pm to
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But my personal preferences on the broader questions are irrelevant to simple questions of procedural status.



First you came in hard ridiculing these reports of the ruling yet now you simply are concerned with procedural due process. You are such a brazen troll.

Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:25 pm to
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Let's be clear here. This is a fascinating case, which presents lots of interesting legal and factual questions


There's nothing really fascinating about it. Transitioning an 8 year old or really any minor is child abuse plain and simple. I don't give a fuk if she could Trot some iffy psychologist in front of a jury. I don't give a f*** if 50% of Americans don't think it's child abuse. There was a time when a majority of Americans thought slavery was legitimate. It's child abuse and you know it
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:28 pm to
I haven't read through the thread but I thought a judge already passed a ruling on this case and James was to NOT undergo HRT?

Was this a lower court?
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:37 pm to
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I haven't read through the thread but I thought a judge already passed a ruling on this case and James was to NOT undergo HRT?


Court axes earlier ruling: mom who wants gender ‘transition’ for 8-yr-old regains decision rights. The order allows mother Anne Georgulas power over her son James' medical decisions – and opens the door for James' father to pay for pro-trans counseling that costs $5,000 a month.....

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August 12, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – Yesterday, a Dallas judge took away Jeffrey Younger’s say in his son James’ medical, psychological, and psychiatric care, giving that power to James’ mother, who wants to “transition” him into a “girl.” After receiving national attention in October 2019, the bitter parental dispute had ultimately resulted in both parents getting a say in decisions regarding James and his twin, Jude; this ruling effectively reverses that.

James Younger’s mother, Dr. Anne Georgulas, will now be able to enroll the eight-year-old in school as a “girl” named “Luna” and subject him to transgender medical procedures.

Texas Senator Ted Cruz, Governor Greg Abbott, Attorney General Ken Paxton, and many others commented on the case last year as the #SaveJamesYounger hashtag blew up on Twitter.

Yesterday’s ruling effectively reverses Judge Kim Cooks’ October order. After almost a week in court, in October Cooks had granted both parents, Mr. Younger and his ex-wife Dr. Georgulas, a say in medical, psychological, and psychiatric decisions for James and Jude. If the parents could not agree, a court-appointed parenting coordinator would be the tie-breaker. Now, Georgulas – who supports subjecting James to a gender “transition” – will be in charge of those decisions. Georgulas is not even James and Jude’s biological mother; she and her now-ex-husband used an egg donor to conceive the boys via in-vitro fertilization.

Additionally, Judge Cooks had granted the father, Jeffery Younger, 50-50 custody if he attended family counseling with his twin boys and Georgulas. This 50-50 possession was set to begin by January 2020 or June 2020 “as the counselor determines it is appropriate.”

Mr. Younger was especially concerned about medical, psychological, and psychiatric decision making as medical records indicated James had been referred to a local gender “transition” clinic and Georgulas was looking to start the process of medically “transitioning” James into a “girl.”

But in October, Judge Kim Cooks’ ruling found that Georgulas was overly affirming in instances when James supposedly showed a desire to be a girl, including taking him to LGBTQ parades, buying him dresses and fake hair, and enrolling him in kindergarten as a “girl” named “Luna.”

Mr. Younger claims that James does not show any signs of wanting to be a girl when he is with James. He shared with the court that he initially allowed James to wear dresses and girls’ clothing at his home until he found the girls’ clothing in his trash one morning.

Since then, Georgulas’ attorneys have challenged Cooks’ ruling. They filed multiple motions requesting Georgulas be granted additional rights and exclusive decision-making abilities for the boys.

Yesterday, Judge Mary Brown, who was appointed to the case in January, granted Georgulas’ requests to force Mr. Younger to pay for counseling for James and Jude and attend family counseling. Mr. Younger previously objected to both of these requests as he was not allowed a say in the selection of the boys’ counselor or the family counselor....

...read more: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/court-axes-save-james-ruling-mom-who-wants-gender-transition-for-8-yr-old-regains-decision-rights



Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:45 pm to
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There's nothing really fascinating about it.


It is if you like trolling this board like Hank.
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 10:50 pm to
Holy Liberal Hell
Posted by lammo
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Posted on 8/14/20 at 12:41 am to
The Who "I'm A Boy"

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Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/14/20 at 3:10 am to
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I haven't read through the thread but I thought a judge already passed a ruling on this case and James was to NOT undergo HRT?

Was this a lower court?
You are correct. It would appear that this has NOT changed. One site is reporting that James has been sent to HRT, but it seems that site is going all Chicken Little about a simple Order that the child should see a family counselor.

The case was tried to a jury in October before the ORIGINAL judge that this forum wanted to kill or disbar, all over some rulings that were not understood because they were misreported on sites with agendas.

The jury wanted to make Mom the sole managing conservator, and the ORIGINAL “horrible” judge overruled the jury and said (a) that the parents would remain JOINT managing conservators and (b) that all medical decisions must be approved by both parents. This “horrible” judge (who this forum wanted to lynch) also appointed a “mediator” to help the parents reach agreement.

Mom objected to the Order and sought recusal of the original judge. For unknown reasons, the judge WAS recused and the case was assigned to a new judge (who this forum also wants to kill, maim or disbar). The NEW judge reviewed the record and AFFIRMED the first judge’s rulings, ignoring the jury and preventing Mom from unilaterally seeking HRT.

There is no reporting that Mom ever appealed that ruling, and it would appear that the parties moved forward under the terms of the new Order.

Unfortunately, it SEEMS that the parties were unable to agree (even with the “mediator”) that these poor kids needed counseling after this ordeal, and they ended up BACK in court fighting over that issue.

Apparently, the Judge ordrred counseling for the children. The details are a bit hazy because there has been no legitimate reporting on the case ... only leaked, biased summaries from agenda-driven sites for each side. Why? There MAY be a gag order of some sort still in place from back last Fall.

At least one of the trash sites says that this order was entered after the parties cancelled a hearing on “counseling” earlier this week. USUALLY that means that the parties resolved their dispute and submitted an Agreed Order.

If Dad signed an Agreed Order, it is highly unlikely that the Order either (a) removed him as JMC or (b) sent little James to HRT. PROBABLY, it just ordered counseling and selected a counselor. Despite agreeing, Dad seems to be bitching about the cost of counseling.

EDIT

The excerpt that Tooner quotes above is from a crap site supportive of Dad. It is probably about as reliable as the crap site supportive of Mom, quoted a few hours ago.

In short, everyone is getting panty-bunched over something that is being misreported ... just like last Fall.
This post was edited on 8/14/20 at 3:15 am
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