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Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:45 pm to Rouge
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Oh really?
Did he beat Holyfield?
Did he beat Lewis?
You have a huge hole in your resume when your best victory of all time is beating Michael Spinks.
You do realize that he fought both of those guys well after his prime, right? It was literally a money opportunity after he got out of prison.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:02 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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So what, he lost to Evander and Lennox. That doesn't devalue the greatness of his career. Two time junior Olympics gold medalist as an amateur. Won his first nineteen professional fights by KO. The youngest champion in heavyweight history. The first heavyweight in history to unify all belts. The only fighter to KO Larry Holmes. Tyson is barely five foot ten, and not much over two hundred pounds. The only other fighter of his stature to defend a heavyweight title as many times as Mike was Joe Frazier. Tyson was a midget in a division filled with the largest, hardest hitting men in boxing. Not only was he successful against men who towered over him, he destroyed most of them with speed, quickness, power, defense and ferocity that was unmatched. You can say you don't like Mike, that's perfectly fine. But to say he's one of the most overrated boxers ever is a damn lie. If anything, he's underrated at this point in time.
^^^^^This guy gets it. Tyson was a once in a lifetime talent. He would have destroyed anyone now just from his raw ability. I will say it’s nobody’s fault but his own for his downfall. It’s kinda like the 30 for 30 with Strawberry and Gooden. They had all the tools just like Tyson but couldn’t overcome their own demons. If Lewis would have fought Tyson in his prime he would’ve been destroyed. Watch that fight again. Lewis was scared in the first couple rounds and Tyson was getting to him. It wasn’t until Tyson tore his ACL in the fight that Lewis started winning. Tyson was a shell of the man he was before he went to prison. Pre prison Tyson would beat anyone on the planet besides Ali.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:11 pm to jackieMoon55
It always spurs the eternal debate: who was better?
Having seen both of them fight in their respective primes, I’m in the camp that says Ali would wear Tyson down and leave him for dead in the middle of the ring NLT 8th round. Tyson was a brute, but because he KO’d so many opponents in the early rounds, his stamina was questionable. Factor in that Ali was such a freakish combination of speed, elusiveness and strength, and that’s how I reach my conclusion.
Having seen both of them fight in their respective primes, I’m in the camp that says Ali would wear Tyson down and leave him for dead in the middle of the ring NLT 8th round. Tyson was a brute, but because he KO’d so many opponents in the early rounds, his stamina was questionable. Factor in that Ali was such a freakish combination of speed, elusiveness and strength, and that’s how I reach my conclusion.
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:11 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:That's all others have said . No one called Holmes a bum.You verified what others said about Holmes. Aging. Big name/ payday.
Lol. I wasn't pretending anything, I explicitly said that Holmes was aging.
Holmes was a " solid" veteran who took his biggest guaranteed payday on a short notice.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:16 pm to LegendInMyMind
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He started fighting professionally when he was barely 18. You don't throw an 18-19 year old kid in the ring with a world champion caliber opponent right out of the gate. They managed his early career beautifully.
That was Cus D’amato’s influence.
After he died and Mike moved on to Don King, that’s when Mike’s decline began.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:22 pm to Strannix
Tiger was first to the steroid cabinet in golf. He is the Barry Bonds of golf. Very good, probably great, player whose stats are heavily skewed by the juice.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:24 pm to jackieMoon55
Mike was a once in a lifetime talent. He made some bad decisions, was treated unjustly and wasted a lot of that talent.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:25 pm to jackieMoon55
Iron Mike is the second greatest boxer of all time behind Joe Frazier
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:26 pm to FOBW
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He made some bad decisions, was treated unjustly
He beat and raped women. That's a bit more than bad decisions.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:29 pm to Rouge
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He beat and raped women. That's a bit more than bad decisions.
So have a lot of other athletes. Get over your high moral ground. They’re athletes. They entertain. They aren’t the Pope!
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:39 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Saint Alfonzo
Tyson was a bad arse dude, but WHY did Buster Douglas beat him down????????
Posted on 6/27/20 at 5:47 pm to jackieMoon55
Mike Tyson in his prime was damn near lethal.
Anyone who thinks otherwise never saw him...
Anyone who thinks otherwise never saw him...
Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:07 pm to dukke v
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Tyson was a bad arse dude, but WHY did Buster Douglas beat him down????????
One, Tyson's training camp consisted of little physical training, excessive drinking and pussy. Two, Buster was the early version of the Lennox Lewis type of boxer. Tall, long reach, stiff jab, cautious. The type of fighter that was custom designed to handle a shorter, out of shape Tyson. Three, Tyson really won that fight; Buster was down for a thirteen count in the eighth round but the ref fricked up and let the fight continue.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:11 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Heavyweight division, one fight, I would put George Foreman out there against anyone.
In his prime George was the Godzilla of boxing, he destroyed everyone put in front of him. What he did to Joe Frazier should have been against the law and Tyson would have been no different.
In his prime George was the Godzilla of boxing, he destroyed everyone put in front of him. What he did to Joe Frazier should have been against the law and Tyson would have been no different.
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:15 pm to jackieMoon55
Watch out for Busters - TuPac
Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:53 pm to 2Dueces
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If Lewis would have fought Tyson in his prime he would’ve been destroyed.
True story: Mike Tyson is younger than Lennox Lewis.
Mike Tyson was such a phenomenal fighter that he was fighting professionally by the time he was 19. I think Lewis was something like 24 years old for his first professional bout. Even though he's a year older, his career started years after Tyson's did, putting the meat of Lewis' career after Tyson went to prison. Evander Holyfield is also older than Mike Tyson and started fighting professionally first of the three (though in the light heavyweight ranks). It's a fallacy to think the three boxers are somehow from different eras.
Make no mistake: Had Mike Tyson not gone to prison, he'd have likely regained at least some of the titles he lost to Douglas and fought both Lewis and Holyfield during the years he spent in prison. I suspect that we'd be talking about Tyson, Holyfield, and Lewis very similarly to how we talk about Ali, Frazier, and Foreman. They'd have been three legendary heavyweights at the center of a string of legendary fights, likely with a unification bout or two somewhere in there to make the fights even more legendary. That rape conviction changed everything.
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:55 pm to jackieMoon55
quote:or he could bite their ears off
Even today I think he could KO just about any of the current heavyweight boxers.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 7:29 pm to dukke v
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but WHY did Buster Douglas beat him down????????
Because Tyson didn't really train for that fight because Buster Douglas was supposed to be an easy win but Buster's mom just passed away and Buster was fighting on a shite ton of emotion. Actually Tyson knocked him down and it went to a count that was disputed after the fact by Don King that the ref fricked up the count and Tyson really won. However, nothing really changes the fact that Buster did beat a Mike Tyson in his prime.
I will say this again, prime Mike Tyson was probably one of the top 5 Heavyweights of all time based on boxing skills. He was a beast that happened to come up in an era where the rest of the division was trash. I know he fought Evander and Lennox well after his time in prison but the one defining fight that I wish we could have seen was Tyson versus Foreman and it legit almost happened.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 7:31 pm to jackieMoon55
The fact he generates so much traffic on just the OT tells you all you need to know about his GOAT status. When was the last time you saw a Lewis, Evander, etc. thread?
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