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Something that always bothered me about The Office
Posted on 6/24/20 at 9:32 am
Posted on 6/24/20 at 9:32 am
How the hell was it possible that neither Michael nor Jan knew that Michael was interviewing for Jan's position? Surely it would have had to have been advertised for in some capacity for Michael, Karen, and Jim to all apply and get interviews. And Michael and Jan were together (and living together, right?), so did they never talk about how Michael was interviewing with David Wallace to work in Jan's office? Surely she would have been like "Oh, cool, what position is it for? .... Wait, that's my position!"
It wasn't until Michael's interview that he found out from Wallace that it was Jan's position. And he even says "I thought it was obvious.." that it was her position.
Just seems weird that nobody involved outside of Wallace seemed to know or understand that Jan was being let go and her position was being interviewed for.
Also, on a completely different note. Has there ever been an episode of a show that delivered better than the Threat Level Midnight episode? That thing just delivered on almost every single line and inside joke from the entire run of the show up until that point. I caught some of it the other day and was just cracking up laughing at how perfect it was.
It wasn't until Michael's interview that he found out from Wallace that it was Jan's position. And he even says "I thought it was obvious.." that it was her position.
Just seems weird that nobody involved outside of Wallace seemed to know or understand that Jan was being let go and her position was being interviewed for.
Also, on a completely different note. Has there ever been an episode of a show that delivered better than the Threat Level Midnight episode? That thing just delivered on almost every single line and inside joke from the entire run of the show up until that point. I caught some of it the other day and was just cracking up laughing at how perfect it was.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 9:37 am to CocomoLSU
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Surely it would have had to have been advertised for in some capacity for Michael, Karen, and Jim to all apply and get interviews.
If I recall, David Wallace called Michael at the beginning of the "Beach Games" episode to ask him to interview for the position. Jim and Karen both called David Wallace to ask for the opportunity to interview after Michael told them at the beach that he was interviewing for a position at corporate. So, it may not have been advertised.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 9:40 am to CocomoLSU
Yeah what the hell is this? some kind of TV show?
Posted on 6/24/20 at 9:42 am to CocomoLSU
The real question is, who did Wallace actually want to hire?
We learn in the deposition, Michael was never a serious candidate. Jim and Karen had to call.
Was Ryan always the choice? Seems unlikely.
We learn in the deposition, Michael was never a serious candidate. Jim and Karen had to call.
Was Ryan always the choice? Seems unlikely.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 9:54 am to Rhames
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The real question is, who did Wallace actually want to hire?
Could have been an offer extended to all branch managers first. If they weren't successful promoting from within they then could have axed Jan and posted the job externally.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 9:59 am to Wayne Campbell
Yeah. Possibly. I think there were just 3 other branch managers at that point since Josh left. Karen definitely replaced someone.
Obviously the answer is, "it is a tv show"
Another one. When Sabre takes over Jim realizes he wants to go back to sales because there is no cap on commission. A season later he is capped out at commission and misses with gabe because he has no incentive to make a sale.
Obviously the answer is, "it is a tv show"
Another one. When Sabre takes over Jim realizes he wants to go back to sales because there is no cap on commission. A season later he is capped out at commission and misses with gabe because he has no incentive to make a sale.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 10:33 am to CocomoLSU
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Threat Level Midnight episode
Was terrible.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 10:40 am to CocomoLSU
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How the hell was it possible that neither Michael nor Jan knew that Michael was interviewing for Jan's position? Surely it would have had to have been advertised for in some capacity for Michael, Karen, and Jim to all apply and get interviews. And Michael and Jan were together (and living together, right?), so did they never talk about how Michael was interviewing with David Wallace to work in Jan's office? Surely she would have been like "Oh, cool, what position is it for? .... Wait, that's my position!"
Jan was Vice President of Sales but Ryan eventually becomes Vice President, North East Region and Director of New Media
So presumably a "new position" was created (VP NE Region/Director of New Media) since Jan hadn't been let go yet. The implication to her should've been that her position was being removed and she was being fired, but since she had gone off the deep end she didn't see it coming.
As far as who David Wallace really wanted to promote, I don't think he had anyone picked prior to interviews. He had only been CFO for about a year at that point. He had already been screwed by one branch manager (Josh) and saw that another would've been unfit for promotion (Craig). He knows that Michael isn't fit but interviews him anyway because against all odds he and his branch are successful, but he realizes there's no way to turn that into a successful system at the corporate level.
Meanwhile we've seen that under Wallace the company had already started looking for lower level employees that might be worth promoting. Note that the episode prior to being introduced to Wallace on screen is when Jan goes to Scranton for the womens' seminar and reveals that corporate is looking for promising talent at the lower ranks. One of the next times we see Wallace is at his dinner party where he gets to know Jim and Karen and presumably other lower level employees as well.
I think all the indicators are there that Wallace recognizes the company leadership as being out of touch with the changing market, and he's looking for a boots on the ground person that understands the business and can make changes that modernize the company. But of course he's duped by Ryan and y'all already know the rest of that story.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 10:49 am to CocomoLSU
Plenty of corporate level positions have "blind" interviews conducted. I know we do, sometimes its for a position that doesn't exist or a temporary position to bring someone to corporate while another position opens up.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 10:54 am to CocomoLSU
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And Michael and Jan were together (and living together, right?)
I don't think she moved in with him until she was let go.
And as previously mentioned, that bugged me, but not nearly as much as the whole commission cap thing. They didn't even try to explain it away by saying the policy changed or whatever. Wrote it like it was always there.
But again, they didn't binge through episodes then like we do now so I guess I'll give them pass.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 10:56 am to CocomoLSU
Something that always bothered me about The Office was how Michael Scott was always sucking all the dicks, and yet they continued to keep him around. It really makes you think.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 11:11 am to PhilipMarlowe
Michaels branch got results. You’d be surprised the idiots kept employed due to a rich territory or their direct reports performing well.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 11:13 am to Rhames
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When Sabre takes over Jim realizes he wants to go back to sales because there is no cap on commission. A season later he is capped out at commission and misses with gabe because he has no incentive to make a sale.
I thought they addressed it. Maybe not well, but doesn't Angela introduce that Sabre had altered the commission policy?
Posted on 6/24/20 at 11:16 am to Wayne Campbell
It is very possible and I just missed it.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 11:20 am to UpToPar
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If I recall, David Wallace called Michael at the beginning of the "Beach Games" episode to ask him to interview for the position. Jim and Karen both called David Wallace to ask for the opportunity to interview after Michael told them at the beach that he was interviewing for a position at corporate. So, it may not have been advertised.
Jim told Michael at the beach party he was applying for the position.
To answer the OPs question, Jan was on leave and had just returned to the job, but they were already set on replacing her. They just had not told her yet. Totally implausible in a corporate world, but it worked for the show.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 11:40 am to CocomoLSU
I think the part that bothered me more was that a publicly traded company was interviewing those candidates for a VP level position.
Then it's basically implied that Jim who was just an early 30s slacker paper salesman turned the position down. Then they give the job to Ryan, an intern with an MBA from Scranton University. A very well respected institution I'm sure.
Then it's basically implied that Jim who was just an early 30s slacker paper salesman turned the position down. Then they give the job to Ryan, an intern with an MBA from Scranton University. A very well respected institution I'm sure.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:30 pm to Wayne Campbell
Angela says they changed the commission policy.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:48 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Threat Level Midnight episode
Was terrible.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:02 pm to Huey Lewis
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Jan was Vice President of Sales but Ryan eventually becomes Vice President, North East Region and Director of New Media
So presumably a "new position" was created (VP NE Region/Director of New Media) since Jan hadn't been let go yet. The implication to her should've been that her position was being removed and she was being fired, but since she had gone off the deep end she didn't see it coming.
As far as who David Wallace really wanted to promote, I don't think he had anyone picked prior to interviews. He had only been CFO for about a year at that point. He had already been screwed by one branch manager (Josh) and saw that another would've been unfit for promotion (Craig). He knows that Michael isn't fit but interviews him anyway because against all odds he and his branch are successful, but he realizes there's no way to turn that into a successful system at the corporate level.
Meanwhile we've seen that under Wallace the company had already started looking for lower level employees that might be worth promoting. Note that the episode prior to being introduced to Wallace on screen is when Jan goes to Scranton for the womens' seminar and reveals that corporate is looking for promising talent at the lower ranks. One of the next times we see Wallace is at his dinner party where he gets to know Jim and Karen and presumably other lower level employees as well.
I think all the indicators are there that Wallace recognizes the company leadership as being out of touch with the changing market, and he's looking for a boots on the ground person that understands the business and can make changes that modernize the company. But of course he's duped by Ryan and y'all already know the rest of that story.
very thorough answer for a sitcom there
This post was edited on 6/24/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:13 pm to CocomoLSU
I had issues with the amount of money Dwight was paid. He went from wanting his dream position of a pie-in-the-sky salary of $80,000, to a possible $100,000 commission not including his base. Seems very unlikely.
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