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Here’s my problem with the idea of the civil war was fought over slavery
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:04 pm
Only the very wealthy in the south owned slaves. The average southerner was a homesteader raising a family on a small farm and trying to survive. Why would this guy fight a war for this rich slave owner that benefited him in now way?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:05 pm to Jack Daniel
Dunno, but each state was quite clear what their stance was with respect to owning slaves.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:05 pm to Jack Daniel
Most fought to protect their homelands from yankee tyranny.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:07 pm to Jack Daniel
quote:North central Alabama rebelled against the confederacy because they were poor farmers and miners with no stake in slave trade.
Why would this guy fight a war for this rich slave owner that benefited him in now way?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:08 pm to Jack Daniel
You don’t attack personal liberated property after the War was over unless you’re trying to crush wealth in the region. You also had Rebel bandits who continued fighting long after the war. Why would they do this, these are not slave owners they were mostly farmers attacking railroads and railroad owned banks who were taking their property and communities.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:09 pm to Jack Daniel
About 1/4 of Southern white families owned slaves. Large slaveowners (planters) were small in number, but they controlled the government, the press, etc. They banned the publication of anti-slavery materials and wouldn't even allow Lincoln to be on the ballots in 1860. Non-slaveholding whites were pretty lukewarm about secession, which is why the CSA enacted conscription before the North. Counties with few or no slaves were likely to be unionist in sentiment
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:10 pm to Jack Daniel
Slavery was a big issue but mainly because it was when the federal government was taking away some state rights. Many of the leaders of these states felt it would not end with just removing slavery and the federal government would assert more power over them so they dug their heels in the sand.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:10 pm to Jack Daniel
Wars are fought over money and resources. In Iraq it is oil. The American civil war was fought over control of the two biggest cash crops that dominated the American economy at the time. "King" cotton and tobacco, both grown in the South. I just wonder if 150 years from now the history books will say the Iraq invasion was prompted by weapons of mass destruction. 
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:11 pm to Jack Daniel
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Only the very wealthy in the south owned slaves
Democrats mostly, as were the vast majority of CSA government and generals.
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Why would this guy fight a war for this rich slave owner that benefited him in now way?
Because once the Democrat led CSA attacked the Union they were trying to defend this...
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The average southerner was a homesteader raising a family on a small farm and trying to survive.
Democrats are now and always have been the problem
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:11 pm to Jack Daniel
The Civil War was a tragic colossal mistake that should have never happened.
Slavery was a tragic colossal mistake that should have never happened.
Slavery was a tragic colossal mistake that should have never happened.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:14 pm to More&Les
Slavery was bad for the average white person as well. Southern whites did much worse in literacy, nutrition, property, etc. Slavery only benefitted the fat cats who thrust the country into war when Lincoln wouldn't let them spread slavery everywhere
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:14 pm to viceman
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In Iraq it is oil.
That's not why we fought to overthrow Saddam...
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:14 pm to Jack Daniel
You free the slaves, then they would be free to compete with the poor whites to provide goods and services thereby reducing the value of their labor. If I was a poorer non slave owning white guy I would fight against it
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:15 pm to Shrevewave
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That's not why we fought to overthrow Saddam...
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:15 pm to Mithridates6
Those numbers are impossible. The country had about 38 million people at the time, most in the north. Of that population about 3 million were black, it’s impossible that 33% of 35 million people (11.5 million) could own 3 million people much less once you split the north and south populations. I agree with most of your post but that number isn’t right.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:17 pm to Jack Daniel
The problem here is that so many of the seceding states stated in the declarations of secession that the primary cause was protecting slavery.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:17 pm to Jack Daniel
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Why would this guy fight a war for this rich slave owner that benefited him in now way?
1) How many times throughout history have we seen poor farmers go to war to fight for the interests of the wealthy?
2) If slaves were set free these poor farmers would be competing with the newly freed slaves at the market.
3) These poor farmers had dreams of striking it rich and owning slaves themselves.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:18 pm to Jack Daniel
And the very wealthy had all the control.
But way to try to reinvent history to match your agenda.
Idiot.
But way to try to reinvent history to match your agenda.
Idiot.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:22 pm to Jack Daniel
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Only the very wealthy in the south owned slaves.
That's false. About 20-25% of white males owned slaves. (Most of those people owned only one or two). This is easy to verify with census records which recorded the number of slaves in each household.
This notion that only the wealthy 1% owned slaves is revisionist history.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:24 pm to Madking
Obviously women and children wouldn't have been slave owners. According to the 1860 census, in the fifteen slaveholding states, one in four families owned slaves.
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