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re: Protestors and the Silent Majority - we have been doing this wrong, look at the numbers
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:37 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:37 am to Antonio Moss
I think all you have to do is look to NY city as a perfect testing ground for your theory. Mayor Rudy Giuliani went the other way and the difference in statistics between Democrat Mayor's and him are quite dramatic.
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The broken windows theory is a criminological theory that states that visible signs of crime, anti-social behavior, and civil disorder create an urban environment that encourages further crime and disorder, including serious crimes. The theory suggests that policing methods that target minor crimes such as vandalism, public drinking, and fare evasion help to create an atmosphere of order and lawfulness, thereby preventing more serious crimes.
The theory was introduced in a 1982 article by social scientists James Q. Wilson and George L. Kelling.[1] It was further popularized in the 1990s by New York City police commissioner William Bratton and Mayor Rudy Giuliani, whose policing policies were influenced by the theory. The decade saw a significant decline of crime in the city and its accompanying increase in incarceration.
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Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:37 am to Apollyon
quote:No one is arguing that it would abolish all crime.
Your attribution of crime statistics in their entirety to the drug trade is, well, interesting.
That is a moronic take, if that is what you took from the statements made.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:38 am to Scruffy
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The fundamental difference in our stances seem to be who we predominately place blame on.
I don’t even see it as “blame”
It’s more of recognizing that shutting the door on a person’s compliant is probably the worst way to develop allies. Like I said, I disagree with the major, fundamental thread of the BLM’s movement but I try to base that opinion on data. And that doesn’t mean that every complaint in movement is without merit.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:38 am to Apollyon
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Or apply it to the discussion being had here, in which you and scruffy imply a change in culture will occur with a change in drug policy and result in lower violent crime rates.
Hint: drugs are not the only issue at play.
Your word of the day is: simple.
But if you don't have spend so much time and money pursuing that kind of stuff, you can spend that money to help reduce other violent crime and put away other offenders.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:39 am to Sneaky__Sally
Lol, i don't support the drug war.
I also don't think it will change the violent crime statstics in the way that some on here apparently think.
It is more than drugs, clearly.
I also don't think it will change the violent crime statstics in the way that some on here apparently think.
It is more than drugs, clearly.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:39 am to Antonio Moss
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This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:41 am to 1BIGTigerFan
Except that Guiliani’s theory worked because it ended up nabbing a shite ton of violent offenders who were running the streets.
I’m not arguing against arresting and punishing non-violent offenses (outside of drug use which shouldn’t be a crime). I’m arguing that we should not imprison them in most cases.
I’m not arguing against arresting and punishing non-violent offenses (outside of drug use which shouldn’t be a crime). I’m arguing that we should not imprison them in most cases.
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:41 am to Scruffy
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one is arguing that it would abolish all crime.
By what percentage? 10? 50? Any appreciable change?
Murder culture is real. And has very little to do with drugs beyond ancillary lawlessness.
In other words: drug trade is not the sole (or indeed even the majority) causitive agent of this violence.
Lead a horse to water...
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:42 am to Apollyon
Oh well I am really just hoping we can try something, i see a lot of people (not meaning you or anyone) keep arguing for the status quo - when to me it is clear that whatever we are doing isn't working.
IF you really want to reduce crime, we need wholesale reform - political reform to restore public trust, educational system, economic ideas, etc. Just addressing police / criminal justice may help in some ways, but its plugging one hole and ignoring the other six IMO.
IF you really want to reduce crime, we need wholesale reform - political reform to restore public trust, educational system, economic ideas, etc. Just addressing police / criminal justice may help in some ways, but its plugging one hole and ignoring the other six IMO.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:42 am to Antonio Moss
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I’m not arguing against arresting and punishing non-violent offenses (outside of drug use which shouldn’t be a crime). I’m arguing that should not so imprison time in most cases
Maybe a return to the days of local jails and work programs for prisoners? I know for profit prisons for minor offenders are a bad thing.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:44 am to Sneaky__Sally
You are just as likely to be shot for stepping on a thug's sneakers as you are in a drug deal gone bad. These people don't care and have zero respect for human life.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:46 am to Janky
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You are just as likely to be shot for stepping on a thug's sneakers as you are in a drug deal gone bad. These people don't care and have zero respect for human life
Bingo. Murder culture is real.
Saying "muh drug war" is just as dumb as saying "muh midnight basketball".
This is what I'm attempting to explain to moss and scruffy.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:48 am to jbgleason
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Our politicians are coddling these fricks and promising to give them billions of our tax dollars, to “transform” our police and to change the way we live our daily lives.
Don't forget about the overpaid cable news network hosts that literally get paid millions a year to spread lies and misinformation that further coddles these idiots. The Don Lemon's and Chris Cuomo's of the world. They are a huge part of the problem imo.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:48 am to Boring
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I agree completely with your sentiment and I think the Silent Majority exists, which is why Trump won in 2016.
Except he didn't actually win a majority of voters.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:49 am to Janky
And to fix that, we have to start somewhere. I read a book once called Ordinary Men. It is about how a German police organization, who largely were not fanatical Nazis, but in the end participated in mass shootings and round-ups of people for deportation to the death camps. It talks about how most people are susceptible to the pressure of a group setting, a slow shift in culture to do things they would have never done outside of that culture.
If you consider that, you can see how this lack of appreciation or respect of human life and dignity can be instilled in a person growing up in some of these gang neighborhoods, extremely poor neighborhoods, or who spends a lot of developmental years in the system.
Really, I think The Wire does an incredible job of highlighting a whole lot of these issues. In my opinion, we need a well-rounded approach to a range of issues to start changing culture if we want to see progress.
If you consider that, you can see how this lack of appreciation or respect of human life and dignity can be instilled in a person growing up in some of these gang neighborhoods, extremely poor neighborhoods, or who spends a lot of developmental years in the system.
Really, I think The Wire does an incredible job of highlighting a whole lot of these issues. In my opinion, we need a well-rounded approach to a range of issues to start changing culture if we want to see progress.
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 10:51 am
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:51 am to jbgleason
Americans crave prosperity and peace. BLM , criminals, Antifa, The Democratic Party leadership crave CHAOS. Everybody understands that now.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:52 am to Sneaky__Sally
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you consider that, you can see how this lack of appreciation or respect of human life and dignity can be instilled in a person growing up in some of these gang neighborhoods, extremely poor neighborhoods, or who spends a lot of developmental years in the system.
So a rejection of moral relativism, dismantling of the welfare state, and a return to nuclear family values.
Huh.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:56 am to Apollyon
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So a rejection of moral relativism, dismantling of the welfare state, and a return to nuclear family values.
Huh.
I mean, those are good goals, but that isn't a solution or a plan forward.
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/7/20 at 10:58 am to Sneaky__Sally
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mean, that isn't like a solution.
The Great Society was the solution? LMFAO. It caused the problem. Simply undo it.
Posted on 6/7/20 at 11:00 am to Antonio Moss
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I’m not arguing against arresting and punishing non-violent offenses (outside of drug use which shouldn’t be a crime). I’m arguing that we should not imprison them in most cases.
Are you under the impression that we currently do so?
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