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re: Parents are having a new home built - how should they have it wired?

Posted on 6/7/20 at 8:28 pm to
Posted by Man4others
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Posted on 6/7/20 at 8:28 pm to
Cat 6/7 and I’d put a good HDTV antenna in the attic and drop coax cables into rooms for free HDTV local channels
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/7/20 at 8:42 pm to
Or just drop it into a media closet to a Plex server to run to the whole house
This post was edited on 6/7/20 at 8:43 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/7/20 at 8:48 pm to
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I’d put a good HDTV antenna in the attic and drop coax cables into rooms for free HDTV local channels
You can run coax if you want, but it's not needed for free OTA locals. Get an HDHomerun to put your locals on your network, then you can watch by using the HDHomerun app on your streaming device rather than switching TV inputs. You can then also watch TV on your phone/tablet/computer, and you will also have several options to set up DVR for your locals (hdhomerun scribe, plex, etc).
Posted by Man4others
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:13 am to
The point is to diversify your information sources so you aren’t all dependent on the internet working to watch TV. Plus TV broadcasted through HDTV signal is a few seconds quicker than the internet AND the picture quality is better IMO.
Posted by Man4others
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:14 am to
Never heard of a plex server. Will have to research it. But IMO I want a diverse stream of TV options.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:29 am to
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But IMO I want a diverse stream of TV options.


Plex is probably the most diverse option there is
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:48 am to
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Sorry, but this is just bad advice. No one will ever wish they had run less cable, but almost everyone wishes they had run more at some point.

Aside from the fact that wireless consistency and reliability will never match wired, physical cable can transmit power as well as data. PoE is incredibly useful already, and it will only become more so in the near future. So really I would not only run cat6 to where I expect to put TVs, cameras, and computers, but I would also run it everywhere there is a light switch or light fixture, and doors & windows. PoE smart lighting, temp/humidity/brightness/presence detection, touchpanels, pervasive sound/mic and bluetooth, powered window blinds, window and door alarm contacts, etc. The list of low power applications goes on and on, and it will only grow larger as we dream up new ideas. Not to mention any of these devices can also serve as a wifi access point, providing wifi coverage that will beat any mesh system hands down.

Yes, the future is about more cable, not less.


Yep, that is what I have been doing now, going away from WiFi. 5-6 years ago we ditched cable and went with Roku/FireStick devices to the TV. Now that the kids are getting older and watching more TV, using tablets, me working from home, the wife using her laptop etc, we are going away from Wireless where we can.

Smart TV is wired in, my docking station is wired in, her laptop will be wired in when she's at her desk as soon as I put a box in the wall and have a RJ45 port there, going to add wired access to the FireSticks, and I've added a wired access point for faster WiFi at one end of the house, away from the router. It is a Ubiquiti POE and I set that up this weekend. Pulled 114 mbps download speeds over that to my phone. Streaming on the TV has been awesome since I wired it in a couple weeks ago.

My wife is doing Zoom calls for work once or twice a week, and wasn't able to use her Laptop when I still had the router upstairs. Now that the router covers one end of the house and the AP covers the other, she can go where she needs it to be quiet and not have to use her phone. Wish I had done this years ago, but didn't really have the need until I was working from home and the kids were doing school online.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 12:36 pm to
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The point is to diversify your information sources so you aren’t all dependent on the internet working to watch TV.
Right, that's what HDHomerun does. You hook your antenna to it, and it to the network. As long as you have electricity, it will put your local channels on your local network.
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Plus TV broadcasted through HDTV signal is a few seconds quicker than the internet AND the picture quality is better IMO.
Yep, and the HDHomerun takes that raw OTA mpeg stream and puts it on the network with no additional compression. The only thing it changes is instead of having to switch to the coax input on your TV, you will just switch to the HDHomerun app (or to Plex or another app that you set up for it) on your streaming device. Additionally it allows you to watch your locals on phones, tablets, and computers that don't have a coax input. Further it gives you the option to add DVR for your locals.
Posted by Man4others
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:04 pm to
Looks like it runs off the internet. When I say diversify I mean I can get entertainment off multiple platforms. I don’t want to be forced to just TV off the internet.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28747 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:44 pm to
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Looks like it runs off the internet. When I say diversify I mean I can get entertainment off multiple platforms. I don’t want to be forced to just TV off the internet.
HDHomerun doesn't need the internet to work, it just needs your local network. All you need is electricity, which is required anyway if you're watching TV.

Just now, I powered off my modem to disconnect my home from the internet. I was still able to watch my local channels from my HDHomerun on my phone with the HDHR app and on my TV via Roku w/ the HDHR app. I didn't have to switch inputs on my TV, I just had to use the HDHR app. Additionally, my Plex server continued watching the streams from the HDHR to DVR the shows I have scheduled to record, and I can also watch live TV view the Plex app instead of HDHR if I choose since it gives me pause/rewind functions.

Again, you can run coax if you want to, but it is not required to watch your locals without the internet. HDHomerun makes your viewing options more diverse, not less, because it allows you to watch on devices that don't even have a coax input.


Not trying to be a dick, only trying to be helpful.


Edit: Just noticed that you replied to bluebarracuda about Plex, but Plex likewise does not require the internet. It allows you to watch all of your local content, as well as live TV direct from an HDHomerun, with no internet access required.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43317 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:19 pm to
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Are newer homes still running coax to rooms? Should they?


I would. I use an antenna to catch locals.

Eta

Clearly didn't read the HDHomerun suggestion
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 2:30 pm
Posted by TigerWise
Front Seat of an Uber
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:08 pm to
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When I say diversify I mean I can get entertainment off multiple platforms. I don’t want to be forced to just TV off the internet.


I have an HD antenna in the attic ran to a couple TVs. In the event of a storm and cable/internet is out I'm l still able to get a local broadcast. Other the that it doesn’t get used.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
20613 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 5:02 pm to
Just found out that the internet in their area is fiber. Does that change any of the advice in this thread?

I’m assuming most isp run fiber to the house and terminate on the outside? Then they run coax into the house? Should I tell them to have the fiber line run into a centrally located closet in the house, as well as the cat 6 lines?
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43317 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 5:32 pm to
They'll install what's called an ONT, which takes the fiber in and outputs RJ45, which will connect to your equipment. As to whether it's inside or outside of your house depends entirely on the ISP.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 5:50 pm to
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43317 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 5:58 pm to
When the tech is installing, even if it's an outdoor ONT they'll likely install it inside of you ask and have a place for it. The industry is moving to indoor ONTs anyway.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 5:59 pm
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:03 pm to
2 or more cat 6/7 and two rg6 to each tv location.

Agree on the eaves for possible cameras.

Two or more cat 6/7 to where you would have a phone jack.

Central wiring location, W/ in wall media cabinet or patch panels at least, and a power outlet in the cabinet and or one or more on the wall above so if you have to put up a shelf for any equipment you have power.

Definitely go with the conduit. You can easily use the blue smurf tube from the box to the attic or rigid pvc if there is no attic or crawl space where you are putting the jacks. Also recommend it for the eaves too.

If they are getting a hardwired alarm make sure they put the box near the central location of the wiring.

Use 3/4” conduit if you can.
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