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re: MLB owners should cancel season
Posted on 5/29/20 at 9:41 am to Nigel Farage
Posted on 5/29/20 at 9:41 am to Nigel Farage
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I dont know why posters on this site are siding with the owners.
Unlike basketball, baseball fans are fans of teams, not of specific players. The owners want what is best for their teams (and their own wallets). The players want what's best for themselves. Often, the players getting their way can ultimately hurt a team. I absolutely understand why the players aren't budging, but I will still be a Braves fan long after, for example, Freddie Freeman is off the team.
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:02 am to VADawg
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The owners want what is best for their teams (and their own wallets). The players want what's best for themselves. Often, the players getting their way can ultimately hurt a team
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:02 am to Horsemeat
quote:oh you sweet child
e. If the owners paid the players their regular pay for a short season with no fans, 90% of the league will be bankrupt. Not every team has their own sports networks to fall back on - the majority of their revenue comes from the gates and the $20 beers and $15 hot dogs thanks to the insane contracts that are being dished out to Scott BorASS.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:03 am to TheWalrus
quote:I hate it. Therefore, everyone should hate it.
Who needs baseball anyway? Fold the league.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:05 am to dlc83
quote:thats not how this works. CBAs are built on precedent. the very second the players agree that their salaries are largely built on gameday revenue, the owners will 100% use that against them the next time baseball has a drop in attendance
There has to be a middle ground. Pay them 75% of their pro rated salaries while no fans and 100% of their pro rated salaries if and when the fans return this season. Stipulate this is a one year precedent only due to the once in a 100yr virus.
and we have literally just seen how awesome the owners are when it comes to sticking to agreements so why should the players believe them?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:07 am to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:LMAO
But the players will be (and rightfully so) the ones that look bad in this.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:09 am to WestCoastAg
Laugh all you want, it’s the truth. In almost every single lockout or strike or whatever, the players come out smelling like shite.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:15 am to TigerFanInSouthland
not to people with the ability to thinking critically 
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:21 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
That’s what i would if i were them. Less games or no games with fans means less revenue to no revenue.
if players won’t take pro rata share of games played and gate/concession receipts just cancel the season.
That's the implication. If the two parties can't agree, then the alternative (which is also very, very bad) might be the best option.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:23 am to WestCoastAg
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mostly the owners though
I disagree.
I think it's pretty crazy to think the owners are trying to be shady in this negotiation in an attempt to squeeze money out of the players.
It's pretty obvious that we are in a crazy situation. Both sides need to treat this season as a "one off" and try to come to an equitable solution.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:25 am to Elleshoe
quote:
What do you think they are being offered right now?
They are being offered 50% of revenue. The players want a prorated portion of their salary based on games played.
That doesn't really work when the revenue from those games is way below what the revenue would have been without covid.
Frankly, it's the players who don't seem to want to acknowledge the reality of the unfortunate circumstances that we are living in.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:26 am to moneyg
quote:CBAs are built on precedent. the very second the players agree that their salaries are largely built on gameday revenue, the owners will 100% use that against them the next time baseball has a drop in attendance
Both sides need to treat this season as a "one off" and try to come to an equitable solution
and we have literally just seen how awesome the owners are when it comes to sticking to agreements so why should the players believe them, even if the language for it only being a one off is in the agreement?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:27 am to ProjectP2294
quote:
I don’t really understand being on the owners side on this.
If they wanted contingencies based on no fans they should have put that in the contract. Which is the same thing they would tell the players if they asked for something not in the contract.
This line of thinking is how you end up with no season.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:31 am to Rep520
quote:
Why shouldn't owners be held to a deal they voluntarily signed?
Force majeure clauses exist. So, the question is what is the best path forward.
The OP is right that the best path forward for owners (assuming the players are rigid and unwilling to come to the table) may be having no season.
As a fan, is that what you want?
If you were a player, is that what is best for you?
I'd suggest that both parties would be wise to come up with an agreement that is best for BOTH parties.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:32 am to CottonWasKing
quote:
Exactly. If I’m a player right now I only have one sentence to speak to the owners. “frick you, pay me”
They are going to get paid zero if there is no season. Do you realize that? You'd be choosing zero salary.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:33 am to Goldrush25
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Making 20 cents on the dollar is absurd.
They are making 20 cents on zero. The dollar is gone. It was lost when MLB had to shut down and stadiums were not allowed to be filled.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:35 am to moneyg
quote:
They are going to get paid zero if there is no season. Do you realize that? You'd be choosing zero salary.
And if they agree to a pay cut right now that gives owners precedent to base player pay on attendance which will lower their potential career earnings.
I’d rather get paid zero this year and make 20mil next year than make 7mil for the next two years.
So yea. frick you, pay me.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:41 am to moneyg
quote:
This line of thinking is how you end up with no season
And that would be the owners' fault. Not the players. The players already agreed to payment terms. That part of the negotiation is done. The owners are trying to re-open it.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:44 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
not to people with the ability to thinking critically
Ok buddy.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:44 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
CBAs are built on precedent. the very second the players agree that their salaries are largely built on gameday revenue, the owners will 100% use that against them the next time baseball has a drop in attendance
You want them to play hardball now, but think they have no ability to play hardball during the CBA negotiation?
That point holds no water.
quote:
and we have literally just seen how awesome the owners are when it comes to sticking to agreements so why should the players believe them, even if the language for it only being a one off is in the agreement?
Let's see what we can agree on.
Are players salaries related to a projection of revenue?
In this covid season, would revenue per game be significantly negatively affected?
Under the assumption that you agree, can we agree that the prorated salary plan would affect the owners much more negatively than it affects the players?
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