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re: Michigan governor says demonstrators were carrying CSA and Nazi signs

Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:27 am to
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:27 am to
And I said it’s a lazy comparison, because it is
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:27 am to
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The Nazis were fascists retard


Fascists were Franco Spain. Learn your history. National Zocialist = Nazi
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:27 am to
National socialism and Authoritarian communism aren't compatible. If neighboring states = war.

Simple math.

Both are socialist ideologies.

Simple history.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:29 am to
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Fascists were Franco Spain. Learn your history. National Zocialist = Nazi


this board is great
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:29 am to
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dem played the "people that oppose me are Nazis" card? No way
I'm fairly certain that guy wasn't a dem
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:30 am to
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And I said it’s a lazy comparison, because it is


It is not a comparison.

I am sorry that you do not understand the geopolitical situation in 1918 Europe that led to Bolshevism and the collapse of Weimar Republic that led to National Socialism. If you did, you would realize that:

A) both ideologies are political parties based on socialist workers appeals

And

B) both ideologies are political nemeses
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39156 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:32 am to
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He compared Democrats to Nazis, the comparison is very fair given that Democrats are socialists and National Socialists are socialists


You directly compared the modern Democrats to Nazis
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 10:33 am
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:34 am to
In a lighthearted joke about authoritarian tactics in this covid crisis. Yep.

Context clues, bruh.

You then launched into your "nu-uh Nazis ain't socialist" tirade....
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20464 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:36 am to
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Michigan governor says demonstrators were carrying CSA and Nazi signs
She and her advisors are idiots. Seriously.

Regardless of your political affiliation, these lockdowns are stressful and controversial. Even people who agree that it lowers the spread are uncomfortable about the government ordering it.

There's probably 5-10% on both extremes, and the rest is in the middle, and sympathetic to both views. The governor saying things like this is an immediate turnoff. She needed to be open and understanding, and patient, and try to explain her position... not insult and attack.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:36 am to
You simply cannot grasp that marxism (historical and present) and national socialism (historic and present) are both socialist ideologies. And that even though they hate each other, they still represent "two sides of the same coin" and they both lead to socialist authoritarian states.

This should be self evident to any student of history.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:38 am to
She’s a prime example of why women shouldn’t be involved in politics.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29997 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:42 am to
We have a summer cottage in northern MI. Townies there fly the confederate flag way more proudly than in the south.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39156 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:44 am to
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You simply cannot grasp that marxism (historical and present) and national socialism (historic and present) are both socialist ideologies. And that even though they hate each other, they still represent "two sides of the same coin" and they both lead to socialist authoritarian states


For the third time, my argument wasn’t that naziism isn’t a “socialist ideology”. My issue was you comparing the modern left to the Nazis.

And ftr, I welcome a hyper-nationalist authoritarian state where the American worker is the the centerpiece of all policies.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 10:48 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58197 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:46 am to
Is the Michigan Governor going to shut down Muslim Ramadan services in her state when they happen?
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:47 am to
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People thinking the Civil War was about slavery should be evicted out of the country.


Confederate VP Stephens in his Cornerstone Speech:

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Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science.


quote:

The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. ... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell.


South Carolina's casus belli for withdrawing from the Union:

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A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.


Mississippi's

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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin


Louisiana's:
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As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of slavery in the times of an­nexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery.



Alabama's:
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Upon the principles then announced by Mr. Lincoln and his leading friends, we are bound to expect his administration to be conducted. Hence it is, that in high places, among the Republi­can party, the election of Mr. Lincoln is hailed, not simply as it change of Administration, but as the inauguration of new princi­ples, and a new theory of Government, and even as the downfall of slavery. Therefore it is that the election of Mr. Lincoln cannot be regarded otherwise than a solemn declaration, on the part of a great majority of the Northern people, of hostility to the South, her property and her institutions—nothing less than an open declaration of war—for the triumph of this new theory of Government destroys the property of the South, lays waste her fields, and inaugurates all the horrors of a San Domingo servile insurrection, consigning her citizens to assassinations, and. her wives and daughters to pollution and violation, to gratify the lust of half-civilized Africans.


Texas:
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...in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states...


Keep your revisionist history to your Civil War re-enactment jerkoff sessions.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:48 am to
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I'm fairly certain that guy wasn't a dem



Now all you need to do is figure out what Trump has actually done to live up to the Hitler comparisons.

We have actually examples for this governor way overstepping.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
2124 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:50 am to
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And ftr, I welcome a hyper-nationalist authoritarian state where the American worker is the the centerpiece of all policies.


Did we just become best friends?
Posted by jimdog
columbus, ga
Member since Dec 2012
6636 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:53 am to
She sounds like she is in a panic. How did the neo-nazi's travel to Michigan? And the 75 or so loose members of some other obscure group spread from Arizona to Virginia get there or even hear about it. Se giving herself way too much credit.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46358 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:56 am to
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Them Yankee boys were carrying Confederate flags . What a bunch of fricking dumbasses.


How do we know they're Yankees? Could be transplants.....we're everywhere baw!
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6567 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 10:59 am to
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for many the CSA has become a symbol of resistance to a tyrannical government.
Lmao! Poli Board never ceases to disappoint!
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