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UK decides "herd immunity" the way to go...
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:42 am
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:42 am
The UK has opted to tackle the virus with a "herd immunity" approach rather than social distancing. They practically want the virus to spread and are banking on it being so rampant that the population as a whole eventually becomes immune. Interesting approach...almost seems like something USA would have done 10-15 yrs ago before we started our shift to socialism...
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Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:44 am to MaxDraft
Sadly I think this is the better way to do it. Medical experts are saying we're all going to get it at some point. Just have us all get it and that way we get it out of our system sooner and our system becomes immune.
The social isolation they want us to do is not going to stop this virus at all. It's just going to string the whole thing out and shut down our economy even longer. Even though I'm asthmatic part of me wants the virus just to get it over with.
The social isolation they want us to do is not going to stop this virus at all. It's just going to string the whole thing out and shut down our economy even longer. Even though I'm asthmatic part of me wants the virus just to get it over with.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:44 am to MaxDraft
This is the country that utilized “keep calm and carry on” when the Nazis were dropping bombs on their cities.
The Brits can be tough when shite gets real. They’ll be fine.
The Brits can be tough when shite gets real. They’ll be fine.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:46 am to MaxDraft
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before we started our shift to socialism...
Jesus Christ...
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:52 am to bigberg2000
He meant pussyficialism.
And he is right.
And he is right.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:52 am to MaxDraft
Dr. Fauci at the presser yesterday was saying the USA goal is a very flat curve. Going to go on longer but be less dramatic.
The Brits are taking the opposite approach. A very tall, spiky, curve over a shorter duration.
However, if you observed Dr. Fauci's hand gestures, he also described somewhat of a repetitive curve with peaks and valleys plural. This goes along with the suspicion of possible repetitive infection by the virus instead of one-and-done herd immunity. The Brits may be on a roller coaster ride while the USA has a more prolonged hill to travel across.
The Brits are taking the opposite approach. A very tall, spiky, curve over a shorter duration.
However, if you observed Dr. Fauci's hand gestures, he also described somewhat of a repetitive curve with peaks and valleys plural. This goes along with the suspicion of possible repetitive infection by the virus instead of one-and-done herd immunity. The Brits may be on a roller coaster ride while the USA has a more prolonged hill to travel across.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:53 am to MaxDraft
So the OT shits on Brits all the time but now we trust that they have the better approach to tackling this?
Think I'll side with the POTUS and the US government on this one....
Think I'll side with the POTUS and the US government on this one....
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:53 am to MaxDraft
It’s what’s going to happen anyway.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:54 am to Sidicous
With the lack of tests the US is doing, we may accidentally do herd immunity.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:56 am to OceanTiger1
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Just have us all get it and that way we get it out of our system sooner and our system becomes immune.
That also means all of the people that will get critically ill from this (elderly, those with other health issues) will also all get it all at once and overwhelm our healthcare system.
Then what happens if you need ICU care for something else not even related to coronavirus (say you got into a bad car accident) but all the ICUs are full of coronavirus patients?
This post was edited on 3/15/20 at 8:57 am
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:58 am to Sidicous
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This goes along with the suspicion of possible repetitive infection by the virus instead of one-and-done herd immunity.
sauces?
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:59 am to LSU1018
quote:Except that if reinfection is possible then the concept of herd immunity goes out the window. Of course so goes vaccination too since reinfection would occur regardless.
With the lack of tests the US is doing, we may accidentally do herd immunity.
Best hope under reinfection is seasonality and enough of a herd response toward tolerance, like the common cold. We tolerate colds for the most part, having enough immune response to prevent serious illness, but yet may have some sick days off and on.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 8:59 am to lsunurse
How can you do herd immunity when you aren't immune after infection? There have been several cases of reinfection already
This post was edited on 3/15/20 at 9:00 am
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:00 am to MaxDraft
But are you immune from it after getting it? I haven't heard that.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:00 am to MaxDraft
The purpose of social distancing is to spread the infection over time so medical services don’t get overwhelmed. What the Brits are proposing is likely to cause catastrophic rationing of medical care.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:01 am to MaxDraft
Everyone dumps on the UK for their government healthcare but now suddenly thinks relying on that same system is the best idea ever.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:01 am to lsunurse
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Then what happens if you need ICU care for something else not even related to coronavirus (say you got into a bad car accident) but all the ICUs are full of coronavirus patients?
Yeah but that would only be for a short period of time right? With the USA approach, if we have a lengthened curve one could very easily argue that for non Covid ICU care the USA method is MORE dangerous as instead of 2-3 weeks of overworked healthcare we will have 2-3 months.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:02 am to Sidicous
We will end up doing the same thing: infection slows, everything opens back up, infection spikes, everything closes, rinse and repeat until infection reaches an inflection point like the seasonal flu. It's just going to become a part of our lives at this point.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:02 am to cable
quote:Supposedly some Japanese elderly man has had 2 or 3 bouts of the virus now.
sauces?
Sience Times ETA: "Although there have been a number of reinfection cases in China, particularly in Wuhan province the epicenter of the virus, none of the countries have reported second positive tests not until recently." (next paragraph refers to a "she" also)
This post was edited on 3/15/20 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/15/20 at 9:05 am to Dizz
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Everyone dumps on the UK for their government healthcare but now suddenly thinks relying on that same system is the best idea ever.
Everyone?
Seems like 95% of this exceedingly small sample size thread agrees that is NOT the "best idea ever".
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