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re: Ginsburg: Abortion safer than childbirth
Posted on 3/9/20 at 7:54 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Posted on 3/9/20 at 7:54 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Um....isn't childbirth typically done in, you know, a hospital?
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Posted on 3/9/20 at 7:55 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Reasonable people on both sides of the debate fear the “slippery slope,“ and justifiably so.
Even reasonable pro-choice folks used to concede that at some point, 22, 24 weeks of gestation, or thereabouts, there would be some concern and certainly by the time we got to the upper 20-week mark, 30 weeks, etc., that was a human being.
It is an unfortunate fact that all too often legislation springs from the extremists on one end or the other of any given issue.
Where the abortion Left obtains control, you see legislatures allowing late-term abortion on demand. Where the abortion Right obtains control, you see efforts to impose outright bans
Reasonable people see the issue somewhere in the gray space somewhere between those extremes.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 8:00 am
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:13 am to AggieHank86
Here's a question for the folks who are cool with abortion.
Why is abortion the ONLY right they believe should have NO restrictions? We have restrictions on speech. We have many restrictions on the purchase of guns. There are restrictions on voting rights (felons, for example).
Why is abortion so sacrosanct?
Why is abortion the ONLY right they believe should have NO restrictions? We have restrictions on speech. We have many restrictions on the purchase of guns. There are restrictions on voting rights (felons, for example).
Why is abortion so sacrosanct?
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:20 am to mtntiger
quote:you posed this question to me, so I am going to assume it was largely directed to me. As such, I can only assume that you have not bothered to read anything I’ve posted about abortion over the years. I support abortion “on demand“ only early-term. That is a “restriction,” and quite a large one in many eyes.
Here's a question for the folks who are cool with abortion.
Why is abortion the ONLY right they believe should have NO restrictions? We have restrictions on speech. We have many restrictions on the purchase of guns. There are restrictions on voting rights (felons, for example).
Why is abortion so sacrosanct?
As to the broader concept, the simple fact is that absolutist positions tend to appeal to simpletons, and the vast majority of the electorate (Left or Right) is comprised of simpletons. Add the fear of the “slippery slope,” and you get lots of people “digging-in” with one of the two absolutist policies ... complete abolition vs abortion in the birth canal.
You also see the media giving the most coverage to the lunatics on each fringe because lunatics make better “news” than boring, sane analysis.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:24 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
She's full of shite. She will never know the number of D&C's that have to be performed as a result of a botched abortion or other vaginal bleeding issues as a result of abortions...why? Because the women don't report it as a complication to an abortion.
It's simple folks. Why can't she see this? Oh wait...she's a politically motivated judge on the SCOTUS. That's why.
It's simple folks. Why can't she see this? Oh wait...she's a politically motivated judge on the SCOTUS. That's why.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:33 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Where the abortion Left obtains control, you see legislatures allowing late-term abortion on demand. Where the abortion Right obtains control, you see efforts to impose outright bans
Reasonable people see the issue somewhere in the gray space somewhere between those extremes.
This whole "gray space" argument is not unlike Bill Clinton's "safe, legal, and rare" promise.
And like Clinton's promise, it's pure fricking bullshite.
Is it killing a human being? Yes or no. If it's killing a human being at 7 months, it's killing a human being at 3 months.
But since you have to start somewhere...fine. Start with a beating heart.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:35 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I support abortion “on demand“ only early-term. That is a “restriction.“
Why? What magically happens at the end of the third month? A heart beat?
Either you're killing a human being or you aren't. End of story.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:36 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Yes, the “murder“ question is a significant part of the OVERALL abortion debate. Personally, I think that terminology is moronic, but the issue is indeed an important part of the debate.
Fine. Since "murder" implies intent, replace "murder" with "killing an innocent child", which requires no intent whatsoever.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:38 am to BamaGradinTn
This thread is not ABOUT any of those issues OR about the broader question of whether abortion should be banned.
We have had DOZENS of such discussions, including at least one in the past week. I suggest that you review it.
I see no reason to repeat those points here yet again, because your simplistic, absolutist posts are no different from dozens of similar posts in those earlier threads.
We have had DOZENS of such discussions, including at least one in the past week. I suggest that you review it.
I see no reason to repeat those points here yet again, because your simplistic, absolutist posts are no different from dozens of similar posts in those earlier threads.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 8:42 am
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:40 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Her dad should have worn 2 condoms at the same time when he banged her mom.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:47 am to AggieHank86
quote:
We have had DOZENS of such discussions, including at least one in the past week.
I don't give a shite.
quote:
I see no reason to repeat those points here yet again, because your simplistic, absolutist posts are no different from dozens of similar posts in those earlier threads.
Pure fricking stupidity and typical of you and your ilk. "Simplistic, absolutist" is what the rest of us call science. You know, stuff like the fact that a man has a penis and a woman has a vagina.
The bullshite philosophy you spout is no different than that which countless others down through time have used to justify literally every abomination perpetrated by man.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 8:54 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:Clearly. Focusing upon a given topic and sticking to that topic are difficult tasks.quote:I don't give a shite.
We have had DOZENS of such discussions, including at least one in the past week.
quote:See?
a man has a penis and a woman has a vagina.
This last little gem has no relevance whatsoever to “admission privileges as a prerequisite for provision of abortion services.” But you felt the need for a profane, emotional catharsis.
And you wonder why no one wishes to attempt a rational discussion with you.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:32 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
quote:
“You don’t dispute … that among medical procedures, first-trimester abortion is among the safest, far safer than childbirth.”
No, Justice Ginsburg.
We do not "know" that. It is a disputable assertion that first-trimester abortion is "far safer than childbirth".
There is no national law defining and mandating tracking of abortion complication statistics and outcomes. In fact, all abortion data in the United States is voluntarily reported by the abortionists themselves. There's an absence of real and verifiable data to support your assertion. All current data is at a minimum tainted with the possibility, and I argue the probability, of bias.
Sadly Justice Ginsburg you may be simply repeating the conclusions of a 2018 report that is a public relations piece by abortion partisans telling us only information they want the public to know.
A national reporting law would go a long way towards determining the relative safety of abortion in America. Requiring physicians to have admitting privileges in hospitals in the communities they perform abortions is a small step in that direction as well.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:39 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:
Um....isn't childbirth typically done in, you know, a hospital?
Unless your name is Duggar, then yes.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 10:58 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Ginsberg has stated that Roe v. Wade was judicial reach. She believes that abortion rights should come from the legislative branch the way it does in Europe. Not from court activism.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:08 am to Zach
quote:RBG critiques Roe
Ginsberg has stated that Roe v. Wade was judicial reach. She believes that abortion rights should come from the legislative branch the way it does in Europe. Not from court activism.
quote:
Ginsburg talked about the case she wished would’ve been the first reproductive freedom case before the U.S. Supreme Court, Struck v. Secretary of Defense. In that case, Ginsburg represented Capt. Susan Struck, who was serving in the Air Force in Vietnam when she became pregnant. The Air Force gave her two options: terminate or leave the Air Force. Struck wanted to keep the baby and her job, and Ginsburg took her case. The Supreme Court agreed to hear the case, but the Air Force relented and allowed Struck to keep her job, rendering the issue moot.
“I wish that would’ve been the first case. I think the Court would’ve better understood that this is about women’s choice,” Ginsburg said.
This post was edited on 3/9/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:28 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
quote:
actually abortion is nearly 100% unsafe .... for the baby.
Exactly...and she better hope the Christians & all the matching scripture from different regions of the world have got it all wrong.
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:37 am to gthog61
quote:
50 years of lying about wanting to keep it "rare"
It's called "liberal lying syndrome". If you can't lie, you can't be a Democrat (ie: bottom dweller.)
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:39 am to tiger91
quote:
She should be worrying about protecting herself from covid19.
I thought about mailing her and Hillary a couple of "masks" with holes punched in them!
Posted on 3/9/20 at 11:44 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The single most important issue in the LEGAL analysis of THIS case is medical risk/safety and whether the legislature chose to impose higher standards for THIS procedure than for other, unrelated procedures with a similar level of medical risk.
That is 100% false. Other procedures have much better credentialing. Having admitting privileges is a minimal way to credential providers. If they can't get credentialed they shouldn't provide services which carry so much risk.
Louisiana's abortionists are atypically unsafe and have a piss poor record. More onerous regulation is required.
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