re: #1 problem with this team IMO

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There is a reason Jrue has only taken more than 6 threes when he isn’t shooting well like once or twice this season, all other times it is because he is hitting.

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He has 15 games with more than 6 3s. Depending on where you draw the line on hitting them, 5 of those were poor performance < 34%

13 games with 6 3PA. 6 of those < 34%.

13 games at 5 3PA. 6g < 34%

11 games 4 or less 3PA. 10 of those games < 34%.

Is there something there? Maybe. Maybe not. In 5 of those 4 or less 3PA, if he hits his next one it, then he is a good shooter. Sample size.

If anything, breaking down his 3PA based on performance suggests he should always shoot > 6 3s. I doubt anyone wants to go that route because he is a career 35% 3P shooter

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have a team of one elite shooter off the bench, and then a bunch of average to good shooters, so how does that turn into an elite near league-leading unit

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Because they have more good shooters than most of the league?

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But we do as good as anyone optimizing all aspects of offensive strategy to generate that sort of elite synergy.

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Pels are 14th in generating wide open 3s, according to NBA.com. Which is good, but hardly accounts for limiting player "streakiness" on a night to night basis. It's not a buffet of wide open 3s. They do convert them at the 3rd best rate.

If you have more a detailed data to share on who takes those 3s night to night, please do so

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not just telling everyone to chuck it like you think.

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"Green light" does not mean chuck. Fascinating that you made that leap.

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become a chore to talk to because you refuse to engage honestly with anyone you find disagreements with.

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frick off with that noise. You can't have it both ways. You want to condescend when people push you to explain, you'll get it right back.

You want to actually dig in and discuss basketball. Great when people ask questions, answer them.

I'm flattered that you are copying my posting style.


You still haven't really shown how the Pels are streaky as individuals, but not as a team.

The biggest problem IMO is defense. This team can put up points but defensively we haven’t lived up to what we really could be. Also we need to close out games better, last night vs the Heat had me sweatin with how Miami came back. Thankfully we pulled it out though and still are in the playoff hunt!

When Zion learns to pass out of the double and not trip over himself we will be fine.

Forces the situation too much

I said we do a great job finding the right players, in the right spots, on the right nights, using a now complimentary rotation, which clearly we do, and you concede, I never once said they have some magical way of completely and totally eliminating taking the ball out of cold shooters hands on every shot, you injected that straw man into the argument to try and find some area of easy contention you could push back on to keep the argument going. Even after I corrected you on what I meant you persist in that framing. It’s like physically impossible for you to engage others with a modicum of intellectual honesty. You make wild assumptions and take most bad faith interpretations and then simply project them onto the other person and get worked up over it.


In terms of streakiness I already walked you through it with two players, Jrue and Moore. I already posted Lonzo’s season splits in another thread. Which at this point is less game to game and more first half of the season vs the second half. To the point you could probably take him out of that number. Hart gets away with chucking more than you’d like, but he is clearly streaky as well.

But here’s the rub, every time I point the question right back at you, how does a team of average to slightly good shooters end up almost leading the league in three point efficiency? You only have the same answer I have, the answer you initially claimed was made up. It’s how a team that’s collective individual average of primary three point shooters is only around 36%, but can manage to hit a near league leading 37.3% on the season. Where the best in the league is only 1 percent higher on fewer shots. You do things like get the one elite guy almost as many good shots from three as the guys playing 400 more minutes than him on the season. As a player you have enough recognition, like Jrue, to only take 8 or mores shots from three on the nights you are mostly shooting it well. Not every night, not every game, not every shot, just so you don’t fly off the fricking handle again with wild assumptions, but as a whole you play a brand of offensive basketball from the coaching, rotation, lineup, and in-game play to maximize the right looks for the right players on the right nights better than most other teams.

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Someone that gives you Favors rim protection but pulls a big away from the rim so Zion can feast.

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and makes ft's at .78 or better.

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I said we do a great job finding the right players, in the right spots, on the right nights, using a now complementary rotation, which clearly we do, and you concede

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??? My last post literally questioned the bolded parts and asked you to show how the Pels clearly do that.

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It’s how a team that’s collective individual average of primary three point shooters is only around 36%

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The 19/20 top 5 Pels 3pt shooters are hitting 3s collectively at 38.5% this season. They have taken roughly 70% of all the threes on the season for the Pels.

2 of them are at their mediocre career %. One is above his elite %. The other two are true outliers and complete shocks.

There are 21 players in the league that average > 6 3PA/G and hit them over 38% in > 40 games. The Pels have 3 of them. Only one other team has two (PDX). The three Pels are Redick, Ingram, and Ball. There have been 56 guys in league history who have met that threshold

Is that synergy and rotations finding their hot hands or a product of two guys fixing their shots and then working their asses off to improve them all year long?

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how does a team of average to slightly good shooters end up almost leading the league in three point efficiency? You only have the same answer I have,

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Hardly. It's really much more simple than your theory on streakiness and synergy. Last year, same coaches + same offense generated the same amount of wide open 3PA per game, 16. They hit them at 34%. This year it's 40%. Shot selection and ball movement only get you so far unless you've got the shooters to nail the shots.

The Pels make it work because they have more quality 3pt shooters than most teams, which no one would have guessed in October, and that has been proven over 63 games thus far.

Yah I agree with Macintosh504 - our shooters aren’t consistent and it bites us too often