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re: What happened in 1998? Why the collapse?
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:27 pm to NOLALGD
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:27 pm to NOLALGD
quote:I understand your optimism, and maybe I'm the pessimist, but I remember there being a lot of discontented fans with the way the team lost those two games after such a big win. I also remember there being some brewing trouble on the team, growing disillusion with Dinardo's magic.
I strongly disagree with this.
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:40 pm to NOLALGD
quote:As I said in reply to your other post, I understand your optimism, but I remember a lot of fans getting antsy with the way LSU finished 1997, and clearly the results proved any 1998 optimism wrong.
and the rating was mostly justified
I remember all this clearly, because in 1998 I scheduled a trip to Gainsville before the season started. LSU fans with a higher football IQ than me told me I was crazy, because Dinardo's tenure was already troubled because of how 1997 finished. They were clearly right, and that trip to Gainsville was the most horrible road trip I've ever had. The abuse I saw and personally endured at the hands of vengeful Florida fans was incredible.
eta: I'm responding to the same person but two separate posts
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:44 pm to TDlurker
I agree with you here. Despite the optimism there were rumors of cracks in the armor. I remember friends on the team and other talking about how the Cecil Collins situation really exposed some bad stuff and that DiNardo and his staff played favorites and there was a different set of rules for those guys.
Its generally a bad comparison, but here we go...
Many of the same things people said about DiNardo after his 3rd year people were saying about Coach O. Talented teams, stagnant system, can't get over the hump, lost some games you should win the previous seasons, next year is a prove it year.
However, Coach O made some great hires in the offseason, got the team to buy in, won some big games early, and maximized the talent on this team with great coaching.
In contrast in 1998 DiNardo, made a horrible off-season (well before bowl game but still) hire, never got the team to buy in, played crappy in early games and then lost the two biggest games in the first half of the season, didn't maximize his talent or adjust during the season, and eventually lost the team.
Its generally a bad comparison, but here we go...
Many of the same things people said about DiNardo after his 3rd year people were saying about Coach O. Talented teams, stagnant system, can't get over the hump, lost some games you should win the previous seasons, next year is a prove it year.
However, Coach O made some great hires in the offseason, got the team to buy in, won some big games early, and maximized the talent on this team with great coaching.
In contrast in 1998 DiNardo, made a horrible off-season (well before bowl game but still) hire, never got the team to buy in, played crappy in early games and then lost the two biggest games in the first half of the season, didn't maximize his talent or adjust during the season, and eventually lost the team.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:53 pm to lsufball19
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They finished their last 6 games 4-2
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but they did beat Florida
quote:I don't know what you're trying to prove. Are you trying to defend the 1997 team's honor 23 years later? If you want to believe all was peaches and cream and nothing was going wrong at the end of 1997, there's nothing I can do for you. I was there, and I REMEMBER that a lot of people were not happy and trouble was ALREADY brewing before 1997 ended. As I responded to the other poster, I remember this clearly, because I made the mistake of going to Florida in 1998, and was warned well before the season that I was making a mistake. Those warnings were clearly correct.
Yeah, 9-3 teams aren't as good as 11-1 teams
And btw, winning a game in Shreveport over a ND team that didn't give a shite and thought they didn't belong because they had JUST humiliated us in Tiger Stadium in November is nothing to get excited over (though it did help hide the slide LSU was already on).
Posted on 2/28/20 at 3:58 pm to NOLALGD
quote:Complete agreement.
In contrast in 1998 DiNardo, made a horrible off-season (well before bowl game but still) hire, never got the team to buy in, played crappy in early games and then lost the two biggest games in the first half of the season, didn't maximize his talent or adjust during the season, and eventually lost the team.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:06 pm to sacrathetic
2 reasons:
1-Bad luck. Had Bama beat, but they scored two 4th qtr TDs on tipped balls.
2-Bad defense. Was at ND game in the endzone. Up 13 in 4 qtr, but I could still correctly predict which ND receiver would be open on 3rd & long.
GEAUX TIGERS
1-Bad luck. Had Bama beat, but they scored two 4th qtr TDs on tipped balls.
2-Bad defense. Was at ND game in the endzone. Up 13 in 4 qtr, but I could still correctly predict which ND receiver would be open on 3rd & long.
GEAUX TIGERS
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:14 pm to nicholastiger
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I remember Carl Reese went on the speaking engagement tour after they beat Florida in 1997. That was a big mistake.
Spurrier made sure to remind LSU the next couple of years.
Incorrect. Reese left LSU after the 1997 season. He went on the speaking tour after the '95 season when LSU held Florida to 28 points. The next year, Florida hung 56 on LSU and Reese's defense.
LINK
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This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:24 pm to Stretch Suba
Reece went on the speaking tour after holding Florida to 28 in the 95 home game. Denard Walker had a hell of a game that day.
Dinardo pushes him out after the 97 season.
Dinardo pushes him out after the 97 season.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:34 pm to Thorny
Out of nowhere, Quincy Carter looked every bit of a heisman trophy winner at tiger stadium in 98. Played very well.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:35 pm to michael corleone
Lots of valid stuff in this thread, but one thing missing that also was a factor, Neshal Menard committed suicide in spring ball and Cecil Collins got kicked off team as well. Chemistry issues all around. Not saying these are by any means the whole thing but certainly part of it.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 6:24 pm to sacrathetic
No defense.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:35 pm to sacrathetic
LOU frickING TEPPER
our O was good. we cored 30 PPG roughly
crushing loses to UGA, UK, BAMA and Notre dame.
our O was good. we cored 30 PPG roughly
crushing loses to UGA, UK, BAMA and Notre dame.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:19 pm to sacrathetic
People being offered money to play meh knowing they didn’t have the NFL waiting, true story.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:35 pm to sacrathetic
Kentucky 1998 is the first LSU game I ever went to with my dad and uncle. Still sit in the same seats today. Pretty sure LSU tied it up late with a FG or TD and Tim Couch drove Kentucky down the field to kick a game winning field goal through the North Endzone uprights. Absolutely gutted as a 6 year old kid.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:00 pm to LSUShock
Lou Tepper was the reason with his “bend but don’t break” defense that bent over for opposing offenses.
BUT the success DiNardo had made money, we hired a great chancellor who knew the money potential of the football team if they were good, so he spent $1.2mil/yr on $aban as The Advocate put it. That was big money for that time.
Baton Rouge started growing, Saban started winning and we have 3 national championships in the BCS era when prior to DiNardo, we were the team people scheduled for homecoming.
He was an idiot though acting like Urckle with his pants pulled up high at the 3 hour practices he’d put the team through (I saw it). And then his restaurant. Omg that’s all we heard about was that stupid restaurant.
BUT the success DiNardo had made money, we hired a great chancellor who knew the money potential of the football team if they were good, so he spent $1.2mil/yr on $aban as The Advocate put it. That was big money for that time.
Baton Rouge started growing, Saban started winning and we have 3 national championships in the BCS era when prior to DiNardo, we were the team people scheduled for homecoming.
He was an idiot though acting like Urckle with his pants pulled up high at the 3 hour practices he’d put the team through (I saw it). And then his restaurant. Omg that’s all we heard about was that stupid restaurant.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:11 pm to sacrathetic
The 1998 and 1999 teams were not without talent. Offensively, particularly 1998, that was Tyler and Faulk's senior year. Herb threw 18 TD passes and Faulk gained 1279 which was good enough for third all time (at the time) behind Charles Alexander (1977) and his own 1996 season.
But, man that team couldn't get a stop on defense with a defensive stopping machine, particularly after UGA.
But, man that team couldn't get a stop on defense with a defensive stopping machine, particularly after UGA.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 9:12 pm
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