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re: Is poverty the common denominator of every major social problem?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:29 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:29 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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A lot, but if JR was drafted into a franchise like New England w/ a GOAT level coach... things could be very different.
Exactly. Tom Brady is the poster child for luck.
The fact that this dude unironically used that as a gotcha makes it even funnier. 
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:30 am to The Spleen
quote:Tom might be the worst example I can think of
Tom Brady is the perfect example of someone having both luck, and working hard to be successful. He caught a lucky break when he was the backup and Drew Bledsoe got hurt. He worked hard and performed well enough to never relinquish the starting position.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:31 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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A lot, but if JR was drafted into a franchise like New England w/ a GOAT level coach... things could be very different.
I really doubt that.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:34 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I just can’t imagine the level of insecurity someone has to have to not be able to admit that there are factors in one’a life, in which you have no control over, that greatly effect the outcome of your life.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:36 am to Salmon
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there are factors in one’a life, in which you have no control over, that greatly effect the outcome of your life.
well yeah. i'm a huge free market guy and i used to post my 8 (the number has changed over the years) rules to avoid poverty all the time in similar discussions, but even then i said you had to avoid getting hit by a stray bullet (as more of a hyperbolic point about this subject)
i learned this lesson at a very young age. i was 5 and my best friend at the time had a younger brother a year below us. they got into a car wreck and overnight the younger brother went from normal to severely handicapped. growing up with Collin was a much bigger deal in retrospect than it was in real time
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:36 am to Salmon
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I just can’t imagine the level of insecurity someone has to have to not be able to admit that there are factors in one’a life, in which you have no control over, that greatly effect the outcome of your life.
Well said. That is a succinct summation of the entire argument.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:37 am to Caplewood
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Like 70 iq points
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:39 am to jclem11
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That is a succinct summation of the entire argument.
which one? the bigger one? there are things we can do to decrease the "bad luck" kids are born into
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:40 am to Salmon
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I just can’t imagine the level of insecurity someone has to have to not be able to admit that there are factors in one’a life, in which you have no control over, that greatly effect the outcome of your life.
I'm convinced it's just some dumbshit kid home sick from school and goofing off to kill time.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
I dropped a comment about "luck" and the role in places in the outcomes of life.
jnethe1 got super triggered and made insane claims about luck not being real.
The argument is over the concept of luck and the effect on outcomes.
jnethe1 got super triggered and made insane claims about luck not being real.
The argument is over the concept of luck and the effect on outcomes.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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which one? the bigger one? there are things we can do to decrease the "bad luck" kids are born into
Bingo..
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
whether a kid born into a bad situation receives the help to get them out is still not controlled by the kid, so that in itself is still “luck”
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:45 am to jclem11
"luck" in this context is basically "your parents", as far as i'm concerned (since it's a thread about social pathologies and not outlier success). on the micro level you can't help what you're born into, but on the macro level, we know certain things that severely increase the chance of social pathology. we can increase "luck" by attacking these behaviors.
first step: dis-incentivize single motherhood
first step: dis-incentivize single motherhood
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:46 am to Salmon
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whether a kid born into a bad situation receives the help to get them out is still not controlled by the kid
its magic! Some poor kids purpose their lives will improve through their own actions. Yes, it actually happens, no magic involved.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
No shite, Rog.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:51 am to Salmon
there are a lot of better people than myself who put a lot of effort into public schools in super impoverished areas called teachers offering said help.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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"luck" in this context is basically "your parents", as far as i'm concerned (since it's a thread about social pathologies and not outlier success
Agreed.
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on the micro level you can't help what you're born into,
Agreed. That was the point of my posts regarding luck. On an individual level you can't help the circumstances you were born into and being born healthy with a reasonably high IQ to good parents is luck right out of the gate.
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on the macro level, we know certain things that severely increase the chance of social pathology. we can increase "luck" by attacking these behaviors.
first step: dis-incentivize single motherhood
Agreed. I am a product of single motherhood who made it out okay but on a whole is a terrible thing for society.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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"luck" in this context is basically "your parents", as far as i'm concerned
I'd argue that it's more your family, as a whole. I've known people with some absolutely shitty parents, but they had a great support system of siblings, aunts, uncles, and grandparents that helped them overcome their shitty parents.
Parents certainly have a bigger impact though.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:06 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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A lot, but if JR was drafted into a franchise like New England w/ a GOAT level coach... things could be very different.
So jamarcus’s failure is attributable to the team he was drafted by, and his work ethic had nothing to do with his poor work ethic?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:07 am to jnethe1
How does one obtain a worth ethic?
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