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re: Eddie Bonine speaks candidly
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:49 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:49 am to choupiquesushi
quote:
i went to an early meeting about this - they couldn't nor can't even begin to get on the same page.. shite.. they couldn't get on the same chapter.. much less page....
It's way more difficult than people think. And there are a lot of variables, especially with the NFHS, that will spell almost certain failure if they don't break the correct way.
Louisiana is too small to have two associations. Our competition is too watered down already.
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:50 am to choupiquesushi
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light years of improvement from previous....
Up until 18 months ago, I would have agreed.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:01 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:still better, he's not just burying his head in the sand.
Up until 18 months ago, I would have agreed.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:02 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:this.. times 100..... competition factor not withstanding.... the selects are largely divided into 3 big factions and 1 extreme faction.... with very little middle ground.
It's way more difficult than people think. And there are a lot of variables, especially with the NFHS, that will spell almost certain failure if they don't break the correct way.
Louisiana is too small to have two associations
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:09 pm to TheBob
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Form your own association and invite the public’s. Start from scratch.
This is the only way forward.
Create 2-3 divisions based on the private school make-up. Then have publics apply to be a part of the new association. They will be slated into the competition class of the new association's determination.
There will HAVE to be some sort of neutral ground reached regarding school size vs. recruiting vs recruiting geography, etc. If you say that Parkview Baptist can pull from all of EBR/WBR because they're private but Woodlawn can ONLY pull from their school district, that's never going to find equal fair footing to be agreed upon going forward.
THE issue is recruiting. Plain & simple. Privates can, Publics "can't" (although school of choice/academic academies have opened an Pandora's Box, so to speak).
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:21 pm to Tigear
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Then have publics apply to be a part of the new association.
Easier said than done.
BESE will never allow a public school to join an association other than the LHSAA.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:21 pm to Tigear
quote:M&M transfers...... woodlawn certainly can get kids from outside of it's zone
but Woodlawn can ONLY pull from their school district, that's never going to find equal fair footing to be agreed upon going forward
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:22 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
hen have publics apply to be a part of the new association.
The non selects would trust this as far as they could throw an elephantPosted on 1/20/20 at 12:24 pm to choupiquesushi
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M&M transfers...... woodlawn certainly can get kids from outside of it's zone
Most public schools have athletes out of their zone.
And attendance zones aren’t uniform across the state. A student in Orleans can go to any public or private school and be eligible immediately while a kid in BR is subject to a very limited attendance zone.
A kid in New Orleans can go to a public elementary school and go to Jesuit or Brother Martin and be immediately eligible whereas a kid from St. George won’t be eligible to compete at any level as a Freshman if he goes to Catholic High School.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:37 pm to Antonio Moss
And all of the eligibility rules across the state need to be uniform.
My earlier example of PBS & Woodlawn was a for instance. Not a depiction of how things are.
My earlier example of PBS & Woodlawn was a for instance. Not a depiction of how things are.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:38 pm to chalmetteowl
I don't like making the privates re-apply for membership.
If there are problems, document them, and build a file for expulsion.
The big issue is that not all private schools are created equal. Years and years of angst because of a group of schools fewer than the number of fingers on two hands (and you might not even need the second hand).
Curtis and Evangel problems have been mostly solved by them being in 5A.
Here is my suggestion. Quit classifying schools by enrollment. Classify them using number of athletes as a guide. Curtis and Evangel (and LCA) do what they did because they dress 100 kids for football when the teams they are classed with dressed 40.
You could further work this by setting limits on the number of kids or coaches per team, per classification. Perhaps 2A schools get 3 football coaches, but 5A gets 8.
If there are problems, document them, and build a file for expulsion.
The big issue is that not all private schools are created equal. Years and years of angst because of a group of schools fewer than the number of fingers on two hands (and you might not even need the second hand).
Curtis and Evangel problems have been mostly solved by them being in 5A.
Here is my suggestion. Quit classifying schools by enrollment. Classify them using number of athletes as a guide. Curtis and Evangel (and LCA) do what they did because they dress 100 kids for football when the teams they are classed with dressed 40.
You could further work this by setting limits on the number of kids or coaches per team, per classification. Perhaps 2A schools get 3 football coaches, but 5A gets 8.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:42 pm to Tigear
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And all of the eligibility rules across the state need to be uniform.
My earlier example of PBS & Woodlawn was a for instance. Not a depiction of how things are.
The problem is that the private schools have absolutely no power to change the current setup. Attendance zones are set up by public school boards - not the LHSAA. It’s not like private schools are out there petitioning local government to keep limited attendance zones. This is whole heartedly an issue with public schools that private schools can’t do anything about.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:53 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:This valid... there are some 5a enrollment schools that have no shot in 5a because of demographics and pilferage... but with that being said for the vast majority of selects a multiplier is needed.
Quit classifying schools by enrollment.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:00 pm to choupiquesushi
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This valid... there are some 5a enrollment schools that have no shot in 5a because of demographics and pilferage.
You can’t really call it pilferage... a lot of parents would like to use public schools but don’t feel like they’re good enough academically or athletically
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:04 pm to choupiquesushi
I actually think naively that everyone can fall under the same association once again.
I feel like enough water has passed under the bridge, and that enough problems with the split, the Dome, and in general have occurred to affect the change back to the betterment for all.
I probably must have hit my head on something.
I feel like enough water has passed under the bridge, and that enough problems with the split, the Dome, and in general have occurred to affect the change back to the betterment for all.
I probably must have hit my head on something.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:15 pm to wahoocs
Classification based on enrollment was never a perfect system but now it is completely antiquated. I understand the appeal of a multiplier but I don't think it is going to be the silver bullet everyone thinks it is.
At the end of the day, there are really only a handful of private schools that prioritizes sports in such a way that they are able to completely dominate a division. I won't even call it recruiting because in all honestly a place like Curtis doesn't really violate any recruiting rules that are currently in place. They just prioritizes athletics in such a way that entices a certain type of student-athlete.
A multiplier only puts Curtis and LCA into 3A. They would still dominate.
On the flip side, it harms way more private schools than not. There are a ton of small, private schools all over the state that don't really focus on athletics at all. Now, some of these schools will be pushed up into a classification where they really can't compete.
Ultimately, I think we end up having this exact same conversation in a few years until someone starts thinking out the box for once.
At the end of the day, there are really only a handful of private schools that prioritizes sports in such a way that they are able to completely dominate a division. I won't even call it recruiting because in all honestly a place like Curtis doesn't really violate any recruiting rules that are currently in place. They just prioritizes athletics in such a way that entices a certain type of student-athlete.
A multiplier only puts Curtis and LCA into 3A. They would still dominate.
On the flip side, it harms way more private schools than not. There are a ton of small, private schools all over the state that don't really focus on athletics at all. Now, some of these schools will be pushed up into a classification where they really can't compete.
Ultimately, I think we end up having this exact same conversation in a few years until someone starts thinking out the box for once.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:17 pm to Antonio Moss
antonio CJ, ECA and LCA are the outliers...... plain and simple...
but if you look at the power ratings in 1a and 2a - a multiplier would even that out a great deal.
but your last post was spot on....
owl your's too......for the most part my experience is that ahtletics with a few schools notwithstanding - are much further back in the selection process for parents... than many realize.
but if you look at the power ratings in 1a and 2a - a multiplier would even that out a great deal.
but your last post was spot on....
owl your's too......for the most part my experience is that ahtletics with a few schools notwithstanding - are much further back in the selection process for parents... than many realize.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:21 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:that’s called competition. J.T. wouldn’t have 26 titles if we had good competitive public schools
They just prioritizes athletics in such a way that entices a certain type of student-athlete.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:21 pm to chalmetteowl
Select should be 2 divisions. Maybe 3.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:31 pm to chalmetteowl
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J.T. wouldn’t have 26 titles if we had good competitive public schools
I wouldn't say it's 100% that.
It's a snowball effect that has lasted decades because of Coach Curtis's drive and personality. The guy is incredibly bright and talented and he attracts kids from all over to play for him.
I really can't fault a parent that has a gifted 13 year old for wanting to go to Curtis. And I can't fault Coach Curtis for letting that kid into school when the parent is knocking on the door.
That said, I also think Curtis playing in 5A the last seven seasons has been GREAT for Louisiana. The 5As have enough power to hang with Curtis and Curtis is good enough to beat them. Frankly, for being so small, the Division I playoffs are, by far, the most competive and arguably the best "product" every year in the LHSAA.
So the model is there. We just need some adults to sit down and work out the formula for correctly classifying schools not only on enrollment but on success as well.
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