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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:22 am to GumboPot
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:22 am to GumboPot
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For well over a decade fans and critics have recognized that "if LSU can adopt a modern offense", "if LSU can get a great QB", etc., etc.
I'm just baffled it took this long.
Why are you baffled? The answer is obvious.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:28 am to LSUTiger2020
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If the spread is the be all and end all, then why aren't other teams in the playoffs. Once again, if LSU had talented QBs for all those years, the passing game would have been just fine. 2013 season PROVES that!
This is half correct & half wrong. Different variations of the spread for over the past 20 years have turned lesser talented teams into contenders & helped certain programs over that timeframe like West Virginia, TCU, Baylor, Ole Miss, Oklahoma St. & Mississippi St. reach heights that, had they not been running the spread, wouldn't reach. All those schools have played in BCS or NY6 bowl games in the last 10 years because of successful spread offenses.
The school who has benefited the most from the spread in the CFP era alone is Oklahoma. That is a program that has had an inability to pull in high level recruits on the defensive side of the ball. OU has also lacked elite coaching on the defensive side for a long time yet still they have made the CFP 3 years straight off the strength of being a spread offense.
LSU was going to see an increase in offensive production this past season from just the route concepts Joe Brady brought in alone. The offense could have operated with a lesser experienced QB & the production would have been better than 95% of all past Tiger offenses. What made it special is Burrow's leadership, toughness, intelligence both pre & post snap & his uncanny accuracy. Mix that in with a solid offensive line & future NFL players at the skill positions & what you got was tGoat offense in major college football history. People need to understand that it is not one particular person or idea that lead to the outcome in 2019. It was multiple reasons. Some reasons won't be around in 2020, some will. The ideas & concepts are still there. No matter what, the offense will still be good in 2020. Just how good will depend on several unknowns at the moment.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:31 am to doubleb
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Are you sure Payton knew how good Brady was? I still can’t understand how the Saints let him go.
Brady left for a promotion with LSU & when he did, Payton didn't seem too happy about losing what now looks like his star pupil.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:36 am to BigBrod81
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Brady left for a promotion with LSU & when he did, Payton didn't seem too happy about losing what now looks like his star pupil.
Payton didn’t try and work him in his organization? He could have promoted him, right?
Now he has to face him at Carolina.
I’m guessing Payton has a tighter budget than O has.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:40 am to doubleb
Payton already has a long time OC in Pete Carmichael. Payton himself is also heavily involved in the Saints offensive game planning & play calling. What title/promotion was Payton supposed to give Brady?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:41 am to Rossberg02
And another thing Brady played WR and coached LB. As a player he knows how to attack a defense’s secondary. He had to have taken what he learned with LB and their progressions and utilized that with his ideas for passing. He knew the soft spot of a defense against a spread offense.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:41 am to Penrod
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I scoff at that question
Do you bite your thumb at him, sir?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:57 am to GumboPot
It took getting rid of a granite head head coach. Kansas now has the problem.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:11 am to Gus007
quote:Miles ran an aggressive prostyle in 2005-2007, it won 11-12 games a season and a BCS title.
It was Orgeron who changed the offense. He brought in Brady to implement the offense he envisioned.
Miles ran the offense he liked no matter the OC.
Due to QB issues, that style had us at 7-5 regular season in 2008. He shut that down, went to Ground-n-Pound, and with our talent had them winning 9-11 games and back into the the BCS title game.
That, objectively, was a safe, "smart" move on his part. There was only one team in the country that we couldn't beat just on talent... unfortunately that team was in our division.
That ultimately cost him his job, and a lot of public sentiment afterwards.
O's not in the same position, the ultra-aggressive offense has HELPED his team, not hurt it. He's not going to be tempted to shut things down, if anything he might be tempted to open it up more.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:12 am to BigBrod81
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Payton already has a long time OC in Pete Carmichael. Payton himself is also heavily involved in the Saints offensive game planning & play calling. What title/promotion was Payton supposed to give Brady?
I looked on the Saints site and besides Carmichael I counted 9 other coaches on offense. I do not know what these guys make or if Brady is better than any of those guys; however, Carolina apparently thinks he is.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:18 am to GumboPot
It really took Burrow, baws
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:21 am to Ripley
because borrow got here , anymore questions ?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:24 am to BatonrougeCajun
quote:uh, we had almost all this personnel in 2018 and the offense was average, at best.
Also hot take is LSU would have won it all this year no matter what offense they were running. The personnel was that good
The new scheme helped immensely.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:24 am to fishdoctor
Kansas will improve , we are not so sure about LSU !
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:24 am to GumboPot
quote:No they don't.
Most coaches know the spread offense. It's not a mystery.
The devil is in the details. It is far more complicated than you understand it to be.
Ensminger readily admitted this.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:26 am to timm6971463
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Kansas will improve , we are not so sure about LSU !
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:29 am to GumboPot
It took Orgeron making the decision to go with the spread. Taking the risk of making the change. Brady was great. Glad to have had him.. good luck to him..
There are many coaches that understand and can coach the spread RPO. Anyone in the kings bury, leach, Urban Meyer, layne Kiffin, Sarkesian, Gundy coaching trees.
Troy Syracuse run the spread RPO. Gus M runs a version of spread RPO.
Herman runs the spread RPO.. the OC Herman let go, Tim Beck, is an Urban Meyer disciple. Dana Holgerson no doubt has trained a couple of guys
Sean Salisbury
Whatever.. figure out who will come and who,is a cultural fit.
There are many coaches that understand and can coach the spread RPO. Anyone in the kings bury, leach, Urban Meyer, layne Kiffin, Sarkesian, Gundy coaching trees.
Troy Syracuse run the spread RPO. Gus M runs a version of spread RPO.
Herman runs the spread RPO.. the OC Herman let go, Tim Beck, is an Urban Meyer disciple. Dana Holgerson no doubt has trained a couple of guys
Sean Salisbury
Whatever.. figure out who will come and who,is a cultural fit.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:29 am to GumboPot
It didn’t. This offense started humming at the end of last year.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:31 am to GumboPot
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Burrow had a lot of throw aways and drops his first year at LSU. The point is, his passing stats his first year at LSU look worse than they really were.
The drills Brady put the wide receivers through made all the difference in the world. This season it was absolutely shocking when we dropped passes. It just didn’t happen often.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:42 am to timm6971463
When you are ranked 98th in the country, it's possible to improve. When you're #1,,,,,,,,,,,,
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