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re: Rewatched clemson-OSU: notes and partial breakdown of critical points in game

Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:05 pm to
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:05 pm to
Bingo! well said there.
Posted by Philzilla2k
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:16 pm to
thanks coach
Posted by Buckeye06
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:16 pm to
You happen to see the awful facemask at the end of the roughing call?

I feel the same; OSU played well and should have won by 17
Posted by Bayou
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:19 pm to
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with one of my patented algorithm simulators

Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:19 pm to
if clemson blitzes 6 people it's going to be a long night for their defense
Posted by The Detroit Lions
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:24 pm to
OSU was the better team and would be a tougher defensive matchup for LSU, they shut down three five star first round WRs.

Granted, Tee Higgins was out the entire first half and likely had a concussion (ridiculous that he was cleared). Counterpoint: JK Dobbins wasn’t 100% either.

The bottom line: OSU got out-coached. Ryan Day had the more talented squad, but had no answer for Dabo’s adjustments.
Posted by Buckeye06
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 6:32 pm to
Wait what? Day completely outcoached Clemson
Posted by The Detroit Lions
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 7:04 pm to
For the first 1.5 quarters, it was all Ryan Day.

But then Venables started confusing Fields and Dabo turned Ettienne into a receiver.
Posted by Jabontik
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:15 pm to
Yeah Day was inconsistent. Started well, but didnt put the pedal to the metal. Example: They get the ball up 16-7 with 2 min left in the first half. What does Day do? Starts trying to run out the clock, running dobbins off tackle. Clemson calls timeout and eventually gets the ball back and scores.

That was also the play where Dobbins got hurt and he was not the same in the second half.

Also - up by 2 with 4 min left in the game, he drives down the field with short passes (Thier LB's are way to slow to cover RB out of the backfield) but when they hit the 40, just barely out of FG range, they go into a shell and run dives off tackle back to back to get themselves into a fourth down, when they punt. a FG there wins the game, as when they get it back, getting another FG is NP at the end of the game.

He started with Tempo which gave Clemson fits as OP notes, but then he goes away from it. Why?

By the way, good post Fat Bastard.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:40 pm to
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Limit big plays and force clemson to drive 70 and 80 yards incrementally to score on us.




the bolded part i have serious doubts they can do without any big plays based on what i saw in the fiesta bowl. gives us more chances to get stops.
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:41 pm to
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by Fat Bastard
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Much time on your hands
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:46 pm to
Agree and disagree. OSU was the better team and played better 75% of the night. They should’ve won the game but OSUs staff completely outcoached Clemson’s. Even after the adjustments anytime OSU blitzed they got to Lawrence with free rushers and Clemson never did figure out any consistent routes or running plays vs OSUs D. Clemson’s stars capitalized on a handful of off script plays and hit a long screen pass. The difference in the game was predictably Fields who failed everytime he was needed. Dobbs injury was the second biggest factor, not being able to lean on him forced OSU to put the game in Fields’ hands.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 8:47 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:53 pm to
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OSU was the better team and played better 75% of the night. They should’ve won the game but OSUs staff completely outcoached Clemson’s.


agree

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and Clemson never did figure out any consistent routes or running plays vs OSUs D.


correct


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Clemson’s stars capitalized on a handful of off script plays and hit a long screen pass. The difference in the game was predictably Fields who failed everytime he was needed.


yep.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:56 pm to
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You have way too
Much time on your hands




shite i wish! wish i had the whole day off. still had plenty to do today. game shortened version was only 2 hours and 20 minutes. did not take long to watch and breakdown.
Posted by Yewkindewit
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:02 pm to
Thank you Fat Bastard! I enjoyed your narrative of the high points in the game.
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:04 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 9:05 pm
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:07 pm to
You were spot on in the OP. The things that stood out to me most in that game in watching them while trying to gauge how we’d do vs Clemson was.

- Their weak schedule seems to have affected the coaching more than anything. They weren’t sharp, creative or ready for this level. Last year vs Bama, Clemson threw a bevy of screen passes every 3rd throw but I’ll bet last Saturday they threw 5-7 allgame.

- they’re very vanilla on both sides. Not a lot of variety in route combos or run type. Outside WRs ran 9s, comebacks and hitches 95% of the time. Inside guys ran hitches and deep crossers.

- And the biggest thing I saw was that for all his talent Lawrence isn’t a very developed QB. He never adjusted protection and he never anticipated the blitz. The kid is talented but they hit him whenever they wanted and it had nothing to do with Chase Young.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 9:09 pm
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:42 pm to
Thanks fellow Fat Bastard. Upvoted.

Lot of room for comments but a couple stuck out to me, and 'football triggered' me.

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OSU brings blitz. Cover 1 man under. Blitzers get washed out to wide side. The A gap on short side looks like Moses parted the Red Sea. Terrible job of blitzers staying in lanes Tl tucks and runs. Jukes safety to the left breaking his ankles. Number 4 cb makes a half assed attempt to tackle and missed.

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Lb reads and is washed out by OL. Etienne hits seam and is gone. Great downfield blocking by WRs.
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OSU shoulda stayed in man that worked all game.
Next play fake run by Tl. Jump pass to Etienne on circle route again sucked in lbs gets behind them (worried about him/TL running again) and he takes it to the house for a TD.

Clemson WRs are indeed excellent at blocking and it isn't moodlighting for them, they take a lot of pride in it.

Their OL are very good with angles and move quite well, hence they are good in space. If you do try to dodge them and go around them you'll run yourself out of the play (because of those angles). You have to engage them, early in the play.

Put those together: our DBs will have to get off blocks and be, at a minimum, free to be in the way in run support. If Delpit and Stevens have double digit tackles (against rushes) we're doing good. If they can be cleaning up or slashing in free, then those WRs or OL in space were eaten up or beat to a spot.

Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:44 pm to
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Not a lot of variety in route combos or run type.


agreed. i was looking for what these clemson posters are so fascinated with and I just do not see it.

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And the biggest thing I saw was that for all his talent Lawrence isn’t a very developed QB. He never adjusted protection and he never anticipated the blitz


good points.

also as much as clemson blitzed 6 guys from all over I think only 1 time did a freerusher get through without being blocked or at least chipped. fields just did not do well with reads on many and receivers made some mistakes as well. but fields missed a couple TD's. 3 if we count dobbins drop on that screen. If they pull this with burrow i feel they will pay dearly.

we contained hurts, we can contain TL. we just have to have somebody stuck to TE so no big pass plays like he had. He was not even a threat in the run game. I trust the rest of our guys on the back end to cover their WR's.

Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:11 pm to
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Thanks fellow Fat Bastard. Upvoted.






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Lot of room for comments but a couple stuck out to me, and 'football triggered' me.



fire away! good to hear other perspectives and what you saw as well.


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Their OL are very good with angles and move quite well, hence they are good in space. If you do try to dodge them and go around them you'll run yourself out of the play (because of those angles). You have to engage them, early in the play.


that is a good point.

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Put those together: our DBs will have to get off blocks and be, at a minimum, free to be in the way in run support. If Delpit and Stevens have double digit tackles (against rushes) we're doing good. If they can be cleaning up or slashing in free, then those WRs or OL in space were eaten up or beat to a spot.




absolutely
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