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re: Lawrence is Better Than Burrow - Orlovsky Back at it This Morning.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:44 pm to Kracka
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:44 pm to Kracka
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The only argument here is that Lawrence has won a natty.
The Heisman award is for "Single Season" accomplishments, Last year doesn't count for anything.
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:44 pm to MightyYat
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What would Burrow's stats look like if Joe Brady was on staff last year?
First, quantify how much Joe Brady learned in his first year with the Saints vs his second year with the Saints. Then we can make an assumption on what his stats would have looked like.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:44 pm to MightyYat
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What would Burrow's stats look like if Joe Brady was on staff last year?
so you use the ole "if your aunt had a dick, she'd be your uncle" argument....
or your could call it the Uncle Rico argument....
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:48 pm to Kracka
Lawrence is only physically superior, and has a stronger arm. Burrow has him beat significantly in every other category. His pocket presence is unmatched. Dude is a NFL quarterback right now, from the mental and accuracy standpoint.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:48 pm to BayouCowboy
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That being said, I have rarely seen a QB or even CFB player that current and former coaches and players just absolutely love and that was even before his success this year. He's a competitor and teammate that makes everyone else better and you can't teach that.
You are referring to Burrow here right? If Burrow has the same stats or let's be nice and say a little better than last year. Joe Burrow isn't even a fart in the wind in regards to elite QB's in college football nationally. He would be everything you said, but only to LSU coaches, teammates and maybe fans. Considering how pedestrian he was last year, he would be regarded about the same as Zack Mettenburger. And people rarely talk about him anymore.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:49 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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The Heisman award is for "Single Season" accomplishments, Last year doesn't count for anything.
Last year doesn't count for anything?.....That's hilarious.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:50 pm to nicholastiger
It was funny to see Dan sulking in his chair when Desmond and Paul owned his arse. He looked like a little kid who had his ball taken away.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:52 pm to Kracka
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You are referring to Burrow here right? If Burrow has the same stats or let's be nice and say a little better than last year. Joe Burrow isn't even a fart in the wind in regards to elite QB's in college football nationally. He would be everything you said, but only to LSU coaches, teammates and maybe fans. Considering how pedestrian he was last year, he would be regarded about the same as Zack Mettenburger. And people rarely talk about him anymore.
So now you're using the "if my aunt had balls" analogy?
What if Burrow didn't have to run a max protect, 2 WR offense last year? Do you think he would've had the same stats?
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:52 pm to Wins
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Lawrence is only physically superior, and has a stronger arm.
Do you really think that these guys are side by side? You really think physical size and a stronger arm are the only things he stands out on?
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Dude is a NFL quarterback right now, from the mental and accuracy standpoint.
And you don't think Lawrence isn't?
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:53 pm to lsualum96
you do realize announcers are paid to play devil's advocate right?
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:54 pm to Kracka
Where is Lawrence sitting at the Heisman table this weekend in NYC? To Burrow’s right or left?
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:56 pm to MightyYat
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What if Burrow didn't have to run a max protect, 2 WR offense last year? Do you think he would've had the same stats?
But he did. and that is reality. Reality is that he wasn't really all that good last year. WHICH IS WHY HIS RISE TO ULTIMATE POWER IN THE UNIVERSE THIS YEAR IS GETTING HIM SO MUCH ATTENTION. He has gotten so much better this year, compared to last. That is the work he's put in, and the system he is in now. I am not using any analogy. My point was he was middle of the road last year. And if he were the same this year, or even a tad bit better no one would be having this discussion. It would be hands down Lawrence.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:56 pm to Wins
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His pocket presence is unmatched.
Orlovsky doesn’t know what that is
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:58 pm to PuraVida
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Where is Lawrence sitting at the Heisman table this weekend in NYC? To Burrow’s right or left?
What is the point of this question? Are you saying the heisman always goes to the best player in college football?
Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson say hello. And I say that knowing and believing Joe Burrow deserves the Heisman this year. But don't feed us the shite about why isn't Lawrence in NYC.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 12:59 pm to Wins
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His pocket presence is unmatched.
Lawrence looked pretty good on those as well.
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Dude is a NFL quarterback right now, from the mental and accuracy standpoint.
Burrow is also 3 years older. Barring injury Lawrence will be the #1 pick in 2021. Both can be really good
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:02 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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The Heisman award is for "Single Season" accomplishments, Last year doesn't count for anything.
right and Orlovsky isn't arguing that Lawrence should win the Heisman.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Barring injury Lawrence will be the #1 pick in 2021. Both can be really good
You simply cannot say shite like this on an LSU message board and get away with it mister.....
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:03 pm to ProjectP2294
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Opinions aren't objective.
An opinion with no basis in objective reality is not an opinion, it's a delusion.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:05 pm to Kracka
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You guys are glossing over a very pedestrian 2018 that Joe Burrow had.
Is it 2018 already?
2018 is completely irrelevant. The debate is whether TL is better than JB PRESENTLY, not in 2018.
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:07 pm to Kracka
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You are referring to Burrow here right? If Burrow has the same stats or let's be nice and say a little better than last year. Joe Burrow isn't even a fart in the wind in regards to elite QB's in college football nationally. He would be everything you said, but only to LSU coaches, teammates and maybe fans. Considering how pedestrian he was last year, he would be regarded about the same as Zack Mettenburger. And people rarely talk about him anymore.
Ok. Lets compare the last 2 years combined:
Passing yards
Lawrence: 6,452 yds
Burrow: 7,609 yds
Passing TD/INT
Lawrence: 64 TDs/12 INTs
Burrow: 64 TDs/11 INTs (Burrow better by one less INT)
Rushing
Lawrence: 584 yds; 8 TDs
Burrow: 688 yds; 10 TDs
Total offense
Lawrence: 7,036 yds 72 TDs
Burrow: 8,297 yds 74 TDs
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