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re: Jrue's Future

Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by BayouRat15
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:38 pm to
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Put him on the fastest Amtrak out of town

The only reason why they were pumping him up at the beginning of the season was to get a good trade value for him.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:45 pm to
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they dont need holiday any longer


Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:49 pm to
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This isn't the final year of his deal.

We don't know where we'll be during the final year of his deal.


We essentially have a year to figure shite out
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:00 pm to
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Curious as to why you for sure have Didi and NAW in there, yet left out Frank Jackson Frank and NAW are the same age, yet different play styles, they can stay together on this team. Personally I think Frank has more upside than Didi, and maybe even NAW. Also I know the board doesn’t like Lonzo, but if he doesnt care about starting, he would be a great backup PG, which could still be a part of a “core”


NAW has lots more upside the Frank because he's much more skilled.

Frank doesn't have much lateral quickness, which makes it hard for him to stay in front of opposing guards and makes him a fair-to-poor defender. Frank isn't going to develop much quicker feet -- that's just not likely. It also limits what he can do offensively, mainly catch-and-shoot 3s or pumpfakes and drives to the basket. Frank can't create his own shot.

Frank has the potential to be a solid rotation player and maybe even a starter, but NAW has elite potential. NAW can create, can make crisp passes, and is a much better defender. He has a solid two inches on Frank, and that makes a big difference in potential.

Yes, the hope is that NAW could develop into the next Jrue, someone who can create from the guard spot, get his teammates involved, and also take over the game when necessary.

Frank isn't going to be the next Jrue. He has a better chance of replacing Redick, but of course, he's got to learn to be better shooter. Despite the horrific games that NAW had at the start of the season, his 3-pt% is slightly better than Frank's right now.

I just don't see Lonzo as a 6th man. I'll be surprised if he's OK with that. I think that, if Lonzo can't start for us, we'll trade him to a team that needs a PG. Some other team is going to think that they can develop him into a star.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:00 pm to
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Curious as to why you for sure have Didi and NAW in there, yet left out Frank Jackson

because frank jackson is a replacement level player.
the others are not replaceable without using a high asset to do it
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:02 pm to
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I just don't see Lonzo as a 6th man. I'll be surprised if he's OK with that.

they have this year and next year at most with ball on the cheap. if he's not starting and starring by mid-next season he will be on some other team
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:26 pm to
One thing that I know for sure is that LaVar Ball will not be OK with his son coming off the bench. LaVar hasn't been a distraction for us yet, but just wait until we bench his son.
Posted by LilWezyAna
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:30 pm to
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because frank jackson is a replacement level player

A 21 year old athletic scorer and hustle player than shoots 35% from 3 should not be written off as less of an asset than Didi is all I’m saying. I see good value in a young bench player that knows his role, and seems like he is content in his role and doesnt think he’s irrationally better than he is. He’s also by all accounts a good locker room presence and has been a leader for our rookies (even though he’s 21).

I feel like if he were a 1st rounder instead of a 2nd rounder he wouldnt be deemed “replacement level” yet
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:31 pm to
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One thing that I know for sure is that LaVar Ball will not be OK with his son coming off the bench. LaVar hasn't been a distraction for us yet, but just wait until we bench his son.
Lavar will never be a distraction to us.

He can say a bunch of stuff, that doesn't mean it distracts the team from doing its business.

Not to mention, Lonzo seems to be standing up to him now.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 3:44 pm to
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We can speculate, but who knows where any of our players will be, including Jrue, in 3 seasons. So I have no clue if that means we extend him a max in 3 seasons, a smaller contract, let him walk, or trade him down the road.



fact is regardless of how this team looks in 3 years, there is a 95% chance that Jrue either 1) walks or 2) is traded because we won't have the money he will seek

so if we don't want to lose him for nothing. we trade him this summer. if we value the leadership he brings and don't mind losing out on assets, we let him play out the rest of his contract
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 3:46 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:15 pm to
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if we don't want to lose him for nothing. we trade him this summer.


They can't trade him next summer unless there's a ton of development of NAW and/or Lonzo. It's critical for us to make the playoffs next year. They also aren't going to trade Jrue for picks -- we have enough of those. It would have to be for a player of equal talent on a better contract.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 5:10 pm to
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They can't trade him next summer unless there's a ton of development of NAW and/or Lonzo. It's critical for us to make the playoffs next year.


I don't agree with either of those statements. Of course we want NaW & Zo to develop, but at some point we need to see if they can be lead dogs.

And of course I want to make the playoffs, but I'd rather the young guys get good play time and grow. than expedite winning "now"

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They also aren't going to trade Jrue for picks -- we have enough of those. It would have to be for a player of equal talent on a better contract.


I never thought they'd trade him for picks, if that's the route they went. I have heard ideas like Jrue for McCollum, Jrue for D'Angelo Russell, Jrue for Jaylen Brown + Smart, and the golden goose, Jrue + something for Brad Beal.

Again all speculation. But with the exception of the Washington deal, youre attempting to send Jrue to a contender as a way to honor him for his tenure (while getting good return)

Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 5:14 pm to
i dont think (just guessing) that a holiday trade will/would ever happen unless he asks for it. better to let him opt out and test the market, if he leaves he leaves

not a good look to trade a guy like that even if its the best business decision. they should be a cap team still by then...if he leaves as UFA it should open space
Posted by kpop1
Member since Jan 2018
1653 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 5:23 pm to
Frank will be good. He will play in NBA. Just depends on contract and need. He will not be a star on this team if you count NAW's, Zion's, Hayes', Didi's potential. They all, probably, will be above average defensive players. Offensively, all of them have chances to be really good. If Didi starts shooting better, isn't Frank with his limits be expendable? If Kenrich starts consistently shooting, who would you want; Kenrich or Frank?

I think Ball is a better fit with NAW than Jrue's skill sets.

Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 6:09 pm to
That's the question you ask Jrue in the offseason. I'd never want a trade if they don't talk to Jrue first

Posted by Sharp85
Member since Jan 2019
846 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 6:22 pm to
I agree. I dont see them ever trading Jrue. If he opts out we just move on.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63784 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 10:50 pm to
That’s way too far in the future for me to think about, but you guys have at it.
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