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re: The Nuremberg Trials
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:43 pm to memphis tiger
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:43 pm to memphis tiger
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He knew what was going on and was a part of it.
False.
Like Tom Hagen in The Godfather, Rudolf Hess was not a "wartime consigliere." By the start of the war, Hess had been finding himself in disagreement more and more with what Hitler and the Nazi High Command were planning. As a result, he was placed further into the background as Martin Bormann began to rise and take over more of Hess's duties.
He realized that war with Russia would mean the death of Germany and a two-front war, so he did what he could to stop the conflict and broker peace by flying to Britain.
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Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:43 pm to RollTide1987
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And then there were others such as Admiral Karl Donitz of the Kriegsmarine. He carried out the practice of unrestricted submarine warfare against the British merchant fleet and got 10 years in prison for it. This despite the fact that we did the EXACT SAME THING against the Japanese in the Pacific. The defense team actually called Admiral Chester Nimitz as a witness for Donitz. They sentenced him to prison anyway.
Well to be fair, Donitz would die an old man surrounded by his grandchildren.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:44 pm to RollTide1987
Made even worse by the fact that we had Bush attending Hirohito’s funeral like nothing ever happened.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:45 pm to PillPusher
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Made even worse by the fact that we had Bush attending Hirohito’s funeral like nothing ever happened.
That's a man who SHOULD have gone to prison for war crimes. MacArthur convinced Truman and the other Allied leaders not to do this because of how important Hirohito was to Japanese stability.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:46 pm to Amadeo
I have to admit, between the nazis and the russians, i would pick nazis everytime.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:57 pm to RollTide1987
Fun fact: Paul Hebert, for whom LSU Law School is named, was one of the presiding judges of the IG Farben trial.
There actually was quite a bit of debate over the legality of such trials, but sonebody was going to pay, and the alternative would have been drum head courtmartials followed by immediate executions, or even just mass roundups followed by executions. This was an attempt to impose some order on the situation.
Re both sides being guilty of war crimes: Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Harris and Curtis Lemay both observed that had they been on the losing side they would have been tried for war crimes. Winners get to set the rules and write the history.
There actually was quite a bit of debate over the legality of such trials, but sonebody was going to pay, and the alternative would have been drum head courtmartials followed by immediate executions, or even just mass roundups followed by executions. This was an attempt to impose some order on the situation.
Re both sides being guilty of war crimes: Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Harris and Curtis Lemay both observed that had they been on the losing side they would have been tried for war crimes. Winners get to set the rules and write the history.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:57 pm to RollTide1987
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He realized that war with Russia would mean the death of Germany and a two-front war, so he did what he could to stop the conflict and broker peace by flying to Britain.
Ok. That has nothing to do with the murder of millions in concentration camps. Just because he was trying to not lose the war doesn’t mean he was not part of Nazi wartime atrocities
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:01 pm to Jim Rockford
Curtis lemay was a particularly brutal SOB.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:04 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:Wrong
Kangaroo courts.
Austria =/= Australia
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:05 pm to RollTide1987
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Rudolf Hess is one of those men.
Hitler had a kill order on him for 4 years
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:06 pm to RollTide1987
Bro Hess was in Hitler's inner circle validating all his decisions for 2 decades.
Yea he got what he deserved.
Yea he got what he deserved.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:07 pm to Hogbit
I wont dispute that. Paradoxically, while stationed in Japan after the war he became a fan of Japanese culture and did a lot to help Japan recover. He was arguably the person most responsible for popularizing martial arts in the US by encouraging GIs to study them.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:09 pm to memphis tiger
quote:Were the death camps in operation yet when he made his flight out of Germany? Obviously there had been concentration camps for years but I thought the 'Final Solution' started in late 41-early 42? Honest question.
Ok. That has nothing to do with the murder of millions in concentration camps. Just because he was trying to not lose the war doesn’t mean he was not part of Nazi wartime atrocities
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:12 pm to RollTide1987
If you shoot at your neighbor who is minding his own business standing in his yard and he gets a gun and shoots back to defend himself, both of you have taken the same action.
But, YOU are going to jail, not him.
I can't believe you started a thread disagreeing with this principle.....
But, YOU are going to jail, not him.
I can't believe you started a thread disagreeing with this principle.....
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:13 pm to RollTide1987
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So did everyone else in Germany. It wasn't exactly a secret what they thought about the Jews and the Slavs. They were voted in because a lot of people agreed with their platform.
Not quite. The German people were broken. Hitler sold them a fairy tale. He did not tell them about his plans for systemic genocide that included many of Germany’s own.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:16 pm to northshorebamaman
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Were the death camps in operation yet when he made his flight out of Germany? Obviously there had been concentration camps for years but I thought the 'Final Solution' started in late 41-early 42? Honest question.
You do realize they didn’t come up with the plan one night over beer and start executions the next day, right.
It was planned for some time before they actually started implementing it.
But sure, Hess and the rest of the Nazis were swell guys who were just misunderstood. They really did.m nothing wrong.
Heil Hitler
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:17 pm to memphis tiger
quote:Nice strawman.
But sure, Hess and the rest of the Nazis were swell guys who were just misunderstood. They really did.m nothing wrong.
Heil Hitler
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:24 pm to RollTide1987
My fourth cousin once removed got 20 years at Nuremberg. Doesn’t bother me any.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:35 pm to DeafJam73
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Only a little over 20 actually were put on trial and eventually executed.
How many did the Mossad take out? Israel was (still is?) fricking relentless and ruthless hunting Nazis.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:53 pm to DeafJam73
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He did not tell them about his plans for systemic genocide that included many of Germany’s own.
All they had to do was read Mein Kampf, a book that was out there for all to see and read, to figure out his plans for the Jews. He never expressly stated he was going to kill as many as he could, but it was obvious from the text that he was perfectly willing to do just that.
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