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The Nuremberg Trials
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:20 pm
These trials kind of trigger me just a tad. While there's no doubt that the men who carried out Hitler's Final Solution deserved life imprisonment/execution, there were others who were on trial who I think were victims of a vengeful group of Allies.
Rudolf Hess is one of those men. He was the leader of the Nazi Party until he mysteriously hijacked a plane and crash-landed it in Great Britain in 1940. He wanted to broker peace talks between the Allies and Germans. The dude spends the rest of the war as a POW, gets put on trial in Nuremberg, and found guilty of - get this - crimes against peace.
This guy literally hijacked an airplane and flew to Britain in an effort to stop World War II before it really got going. They find him guilty of war crimes and give him life in prison without the possibility of parole.
And then there were others such as Admiral Karl Donitz of the Kriegsmarine. He carried out the practice of unrestricted submarine warfare against the British merchant fleet and got 10 years in prison for it. This despite the fact that we did the EXACT SAME THING against the Japanese in the Pacific. The defense team actually called Admiral Chester Nimitz as a witness for Donitz. They sentenced him to prison anyway.
There are other examples but these are the two that came to mind immediately. Bottom line, I think the Nuremberg Trials were mainly an avenue for the Allies to get revenge on some of the more controversial figures of the war - this despite the fact that they were punished for things the Allies visited upon the Axis citizenry. Were Curtis LeMay or Britain's "Bomber" Harris ever put on trial for the things they did which mirrored what the Luftwaffe was doing? Hell no.
But the victors write the history. In this particular instance, I think we were a little too harsh with some of our punishments.
Rudolf Hess is one of those men. He was the leader of the Nazi Party until he mysteriously hijacked a plane and crash-landed it in Great Britain in 1940. He wanted to broker peace talks between the Allies and Germans. The dude spends the rest of the war as a POW, gets put on trial in Nuremberg, and found guilty of - get this - crimes against peace.
This guy literally hijacked an airplane and flew to Britain in an effort to stop World War II before it really got going. They find him guilty of war crimes and give him life in prison without the possibility of parole.
And then there were others such as Admiral Karl Donitz of the Kriegsmarine. He carried out the practice of unrestricted submarine warfare against the British merchant fleet and got 10 years in prison for it. This despite the fact that we did the EXACT SAME THING against the Japanese in the Pacific. The defense team actually called Admiral Chester Nimitz as a witness for Donitz. They sentenced him to prison anyway.
There are other examples but these are the two that came to mind immediately. Bottom line, I think the Nuremberg Trials were mainly an avenue for the Allies to get revenge on some of the more controversial figures of the war - this despite the fact that they were punished for things the Allies visited upon the Axis citizenry. Were Curtis LeMay or Britain's "Bomber" Harris ever put on trial for the things they did which mirrored what the Luftwaffe was doing? Hell no.
But the victors write the history. In this particular instance, I think we were a little too harsh with some of our punishments.
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Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:23 pm to RollTide1987
Are you really starting a thread sympathizing with a Nazi leader?
They all got much better than they deserved.
They all got much better than they deserved.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:23 pm to RollTide1987
Most of the Nazi elite lived out the rest of their lives in South America.
That stuff has long since been known. There are entire almost 100% German areas in Argentina still to this day.
That stuff has long since been known. There are entire almost 100% German areas in Argentina still to this day.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:23 pm to RollTide1987
Kangaroo courts.
I find "laws" for warfare amusing.
I find "laws" for warfare amusing.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:24 pm to memphis tiger
quote:
Are you really starting a thread sympathizing with a Nazi leader?
I'm not. I'm simply questioning the sentence he received given the context of what he did/didn't do.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:26 pm to RollTide1987
Hess was a major player for the Nazis. frick him. Also, in relation to the number of people who had a role in all the killings, only a handful of men were actually tried in court. The masses went home to what was left of Germany. Only a little over 20 actually were put on trial and eventually executed.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:26 pm to memphis tiger
quote:
Are you really starting a thread sympathizing with a Nazi leader?
They all got much better than they deserved.
Lose the holier than thou attitude.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:27 pm to RollTide1987
With the reduction in fact based history taught in school well into college, more of this sort of logic will be the result. The left wing thinks they're getting an upper hand on teaching people the correct slant on history, when in reality they'll only produce thinking on par with this statement.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:27 pm to RollTide1987
Also...from 1966 until his death in 1988, he was literally the only prisoner in Spandau Prison. We wasted valuable resources at taxpayer expense to guard ONE prisoner for over 30 years! We wanted to release him on parole but the Soviets kept vetoing because it was an excuse to keep a KGB presence in West Germany.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:27 pm to RollTide1987
The losing side in every war has been punished, every time.
In the case of the Nazis their punishment was lighter than most losers have gotten.
The Mongols were pros.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:31 pm to GetBackToWork
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The left wing thinks they're getting an upper hand on teaching people the correct slant on history, when in reality they'll only produce thinking on par with this statement.
So you think it right for a man to receive life in prison simply because he was once high up in the Nazi food chain? He spent most of the war in a POW camp.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:34 pm to RollTide1987
He knew what the Nazis were about. You don’t get that kind of position without having an understanding of the party’s philosophy. So frick him.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:35 pm to RollTide1987
I agree. Im not jewish, so i dont really have a beef with the germans.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:35 pm to memphis tiger
quote:
Are you really starting a thread sympathizing with a Nazi leader?
They all got much better than they deserved
Damn 7 downvoted already. Some literal Nazis on the board.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:36 pm to DeafJam73
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He knew what the Nazis were about.
So did everyone else in Germany. It wasn't exactly a secret what they thought about the Jews and the Slavs. They were voted in because a lot of people agreed with their platform.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:36 pm to RollTide1987
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But the victors write the history. In this particular instance, I think we were a little too harsh with some of our punishments.
You picked out two very selective ones. A few others got prison sentences. The rest were war criminals and got what they deserved.
frick them
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:36 pm to memphis tiger
quote:
Some literal Nazis on the board.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:37 pm to RollTide1987
Albert Speer getting a lighter sentence than Hess is laughable. Hess was a bit of a crank but he wasn't a war criminal. Hess was obsessed with Hitler as a messianic savior of Germany and he was always interested in preserving peace between a resurgent German state and the European powers. His life imprisonment was shameful.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:37 pm to RollTide1987
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So you think it right for a man to receive life in prison simply because he was once high up in the Nazi food chain? He spent most of the war in a POW camp
He was a high ranking Nazi official. He knew what was going on and was a part of it.
He deserves no sympathy.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 3:39 pm to 14&Counting
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You picked out two very selective ones.
I did. I could have picked Albert Speer, who did nothing seriously wrong, the same thing goes for Erich von Manstein.
I prefaced this whole thing by saying that those who were executed got what they deserved. However, there were those lesser Nazis who received harsh sentences that didn't fit the crimes they were found guilty of.
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