- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:48 pm to Flats
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:48 pm to Flats
quote:
The most successful immigrant group in the US right now is Nigerians. Last I checked they had black skin.
They don't realize that other black immigrants from other non-american cultures out earn, out save and are much more succesful thus leading to an obvious conclusion it is almost entirely cultural reasons for these disparities that have been pointed out. There are also other non-black cultures that have been discriminated brutally that do not have the same issues with financial success. It's a cop-out and a way to increase public spending to buy votes.
Of course we are trying to rationalize with people who think all disparities are due to discrimination so why bother explaining?
0
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:49 pm to upgrayedd
Everyone is wrong except him. Interesting
The guilt he carries must be crushing.
The guilt he carries must be crushing.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:53 pm to the808bass
quote:
The fantasy that blacks could have just pulled themselves successfully up by their bootstraps amid a horror show of persecution, violence and discrimination is just that - a fantasy.
Untrue, look at black homeownership, wealth and savings and income growth statistics predating the LBJ and then compare it to after. Once again, a poorly researched statement.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:55 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Whoa there. I'm not applying any positive or negative or right or wrong connotation to the aforementioned science and its findings or even its application in society. In this conversation, I'm only identifying it as an example of institutional racism. I know the R word is a trigger word for many here, but that's not my problem.
So, you're gonna go with the "It's inherently flawed and therefore wrong and racist despite the fact that I won't even entertain assessing the evidence of the study because institutional racism" approach?
Some conclusions were drawn by mostly whites, and those conclusions are applied in a mostly white society and in a way that favors whites over other groups. Whether that's right, wrong, good, bad, smart, dumb, flawed, or flawless, it is, regardless of all those possibilities, an example of institutional racism.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:55 pm to BoyHowdy
quote:Maybe there was another reason.
I've personally saw at least three examples in my life where African Americans were given preferential treatment during the hiring process where I worked
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:57 pm to xiv
When you type, I hear Ronald Reagan.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:57 pm to AggieHank86
Maybe there wasn’t.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:58 pm to the808bass
I hear Bert of Sesame Street
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:03 pm to roadGator
quote:
I hear Bert of Sesame Street
I hear Pee Wee Herman.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:06 pm to xiv
quote:I must disagreequote:Applying this, even if you think it's applied logically, is institutional racism. Being black does not make a person more likely to default on loans.
Blacks with identical incomes to whites are twice as likely to default on loans. So, they are a greater risk.
Not all racial disparity constitutes “racism.”
Credit risk evaluations are a numbers game.
If the data show that left-handed Scotsmen default at a higher rate, there is nothing “racist” in charging a higher rate of interest to left handed-Scotsmen. Replacing “left-handed Scotsmen” with “Blacks” does not change that objective business decision.
There is no question that “institutional racism” has existed in the past (e.g. redlining or the FHA treatment of Black farmers), and it may well still exist somewhere today ... but this is simply not it.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:07 pm to roadGator
quote:I legit named my first dog Bert because Bert was my favorite Sesame Street character.
I hear Bert of Sesame Street
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:08 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:Star of the greatest movie of all time (released in 1985). I bowled with him once. As weird as you'd think.
I hear Pee Wee Herman.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:09 pm to xiv
quote:No, it is not “sexist.” The rates are not set because someone at GEICO hates men. They are set because men make more claims on auto insurance policies.quote:Of course. That's the definition of the word. I think that what you mention is bad.
So you would agree that charging men more for car insurance is sexist.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:10 pm to upgrayedd
quote:I'm sure there's truth to that. I'm also sure that any general bias to leniency is not int he direction of black offenders.
I think there are a lot of factors that are excluded in those "disparity" stats that get thrown around. Those stats include prior records, pleading down to possession charges, additional charges along with those possession charges. There really aren't many judges and DA's locking up people of any color for the sole issue of having a dime bag.
quote:It's still a political decision not to target serial lawbreakers.
Cops typically don't conduct sweeping raids on users. They're looking for far bigger fish than some rich kid dropping acid in his dorm room. Cops aren't raiding campuses because there typically aren't big fish running distribution rings on them.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:11 pm to xiv
quote:
Star of the greatest movie of all time (released in 1985). I bowled with him once. As weird as you'd think.
That is a great movie. I'm sure he was weird. Then you have the whole masturbating in the theater incident (1991).
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:12 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Come on, man. It existed until this very year (or late last year).
Unanimous jury just passed so that's moot.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:15 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Any objection to institutional racism is institutional racism.
I must disagree
quote:institutional racism
numbers game
quote:institutional racism
the data
quote:correct. it's "institutionally" racist, not just regular racist.
there is nothing “racist”
quote:it's institutionally racist to put people of color in quotations
“Blacks”
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:15 pm to AggieHank86
quote:What you're describing is not institutional racism.
I must disagree
Not all racial disparity constitutes “racism.”
Credit risk evaluations are a numbers game.
If the data show that left-handed Scotsmen default at a higher rate, there is nothing “racist” in charging a higher rate of interest to left handed-Scotsmen. Replacing “left-handed Scotsmen” with “Blacks” does not change that objective business decision.
If a bank gives a man less credik because it has observed that black men are more liable to default, the bank is not (necessarily) (overtly) racist, and the act of denying him full credik is not (necessarily) (overtly) racist.
At the same time, we all know that a man's race does not cause him to do the things that would harm his credit rating. Therefore, the very fact that in this hypothetical, a person's race factors into how much credik he is allowed is an example of institutional racism.
Whether it is wrong for the bank to do this is a matter of opinion, and whether it is racist for the bank to do this is subject to factors not given in this hypothetical; that a system under which this is even conceivable is institutional racism is an irrefutable fact.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:15 pm to the808bass
quote:Yes, but we should not commit the error of extrapolating the outlier to be the expected average outcome. Bottom line: if you were born a black child in 1945, that was WAY worse than being born white...no matter how much by the own bootstraps up-pulling the black child ultimately did.
Secondly, some blacks did exactly that. They persisted and succeeded despite the odds. That should motivate all of us.
quote:Yeah - it's silly and also just poor realpolitik.
Thirdly, bandying about the idea of “privilege” to poor-poor whites, especially when done by upper class blacks, is one of my favorite ideas of modern society. A Harvard educated black lawyer explaining to an unemployed, undereducated son of a single mother opiate addict how much privilege white people had that he didn’t is something that gives me a quiet satisfaction.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:17 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:Would love to see your research.
Untrue, look at black homeownership, wealth and savings and income growth statistics predating the LBJ and then compare it to after. Once again, a poorly researched statement.
Page 12 of 19
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News