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re: Why do libs harp on instititutional racism?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:47 pm to xiv
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:47 pm to xiv
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There's a fine line between a) policy designed to even the playing field along the racial divide and b) butt-fricking socialism. The left does a poor job of showing what should be a nuance between the two--that's probably their intention since they get to graft a pretty sexy virtue signal opportunity onto their want for leftist policy. It's part of the game, I guess.
There's not a fine line there. You want equality of outcomes. That's what those policies do.
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:48 pm to upgrayedd
quote:You have very brilliantly outlined why I do not vote Democrat.
Implementing actual institutional racism to combat perceived institutional racism sounds like a pretty disastrous policy.
quote:Interesting you should bring that up, but you're implying that I've said or implied that prisons are racist, which is not the case. Felony disenfranchisement is an example of institutional racism and, one could easily argue, institutional sexism. I would argue that it is a better example of IR than of IS for this reason: felony disenfranchisement disproportionately affects one (or more) race(s) as the result of legislation legislated by a government where another race has a disproportionately high level of power and influence; felony disenfranchisement disproportionately affects men as a result of legislation legislated by mostly men.
So prisons are sexist because 90% of the inmates are men
So, yes, but I would argue that it is to a greater degree institutionally racist than it is institutionally sexist.
quote:Give his phone back, Zach.
Intelligence?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:48 pm to xiv
Is your Yorkie still alive?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:53 pm to xiv
quote:
You have very brilliantly outlined why I do not vote Democrat
Yet you support their policies
quote:
but you're implying that I've said or implied that prisons are racist, which is not the case
I'm literally not saying or implying that.
quote:
Felony disenfranchisement is an example of institutional racism and, one could easily argue, institutional sexism. I would argue that it is a better example of IR than of IS for this reason: felony disenfranchisement disproportionately affects one (or more) race(s) as the result of legislation legislated by a government where another race has a disproportionately high level of power and influence; felony disenfranchisement disproportionately affects men as a result of legislation legislated by mostly men.
It's like you're having a conversation with yourself. I've never injected sexism into your disenfranchisement argument. It was used as an analogy, but that obviously went over your head.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:54 pm to xiv
quote:
felony disenfranchisement disproportionately affects one (or more) race(s) as the result of legislation legislated by a government where another race has a disproportionately high level of power and influence
are you asserting that laws were designed with the intent that "one race" would be more affected than others?
stealing shouldn't be against the law because "one race" might steal more than another, so it's institutional racism to put that law on the books?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:56 pm to BoyHowdy
Because it's the only way they can try and explain away achievement gaps
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:58 pm to xiv
quote:quote:Give his phone back, Zach.
Intelligence?
if there were a study that compared IQs of races, and the results were something along the line of asian>caucasian>black, would you accept it?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:00 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Such as...?
Yet you support their policies
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:01 pm to Logician
quote:Yes.
are you asserting that laws were designed with the intent that "one race" would be more affected than others?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:02 pm to xiv
quote:the idea that certain groups can't get ahead because of "institutional racism" and not because of personal accountability and responsibility.
Such as...?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:04 pm to xiv
quote:
Such as...?
giving preferential treatment to individuals based on race to attempt to ensure an outcome
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:05 pm to Logician
quote:I've been ignoring and not reading your posts for several pages at this point because you're nothing more than a troll who hasn't displayed an ability to do anything more than that, but I decided to read this one, and goddamn, this is a stupid motherfricking thing to say.
stealing shouldn't be against the law because "one race" might steal more than another, so it's institutional racism to put that law on the books?
quote:Yes. Several laws on the books in several states were drafted and passed specifically for this reason. Felony disenfranchisement and the 10-2 majority conviction rule are two examples that have been in the news recently.
are you asserting that laws were designed with the intent that "one race" would be more affected than others?
Goddamn, that was a stupid thing for you to say. Stupid, stupid, stupid. You actually clicked 'submit' after typing it.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:07 pm to xiv
quote:so you don't have a reply. got it.
I've been ignoring and not reading your posts for several pages at this point because you're nothing more than a troll who hasn't displayed an ability to do anything more than that, but I decided to read this one, and goddamn, this is a stupid motherfricking thing to say.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:07 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Which policy on the books are you referring to? Back up what you say. Don't be like the other idiots.
giving preferential treatment to individuals based on race to attempt to ensure an outcome
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:07 pm to xiv
quote:
Felony disenfranchisement and the 10-2 majority conviction rule are two examples that have been in the news recently.
Felony disenfranchisement only exists because of racism? That's your assertion?
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:08 pm to xiv
quote:
Which policy on the books are you referring to?
Affirmative action
The PSAT has racial bias against whites built into it.
Colleges are currently trying to exclude Asians as a minority or rewrite laws only to say African American because Asians are taking all he affirmative action spots.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:09 pm to Nguyener
quote:In several cases, this is the case.
Felony disenfranchisement only exists because of racism? That's your assertion?
But, my assertion is that felony disenfranchisement is an example of institutional racism regardless of whether or not racism was the reason for the legislation.
I have no doubt that this will go over your head.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:12 pm to xiv
quote:
my assertion is that felony disenfranchisement is an example of institutional racism regardless of whether or not racism was the reason for the legislation.
So are murder convictions an example of institutionalized racism in the justice system?
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:13 pm to xiv
so we've established that 10-2 was designed with the intent to put more black people in jail.
is there a clause that specifically states that this law would only apply to black people, or would any white person (or any person of any race) be subject to the same law?
i have no doubt you will not understand this.
is there a clause that specifically states that this law would only apply to black people, or would any white person (or any person of any race) be subject to the same law?
i have no doubt you will not understand this.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:15 pm to Nguyener
That I "support" affirmative action is a bit of a strong assertion for how I feel about it.
I'm against burning, and I'm also against drowning, but if I whip out the fire hose during a fire, you'll say that I'm pro-drowning all of a sudden. You can play that game with yourself if you like; I'm not interested.
Not something I'd push through Congress, but I don't whine about it, either.
I'm against burning, and I'm also against drowning, but if I whip out the fire hose during a fire, you'll say that I'm pro-drowning all of a sudden. You can play that game with yourself if you like; I'm not interested.
Not something I'd push through Congress, but I don't whine about it, either.
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