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Why GM and VW are ending Hybrid Vehicles.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:52 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:52 am
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Two top automakers are ditching hybrid vehicles and going all in on fully electric cars.
The move from GM and Volkswagen is all about meeting tough emissions standards that are being implemented around the world, according Opens a New Window. to the Wall Street Journal.
"Our strong preference is to go all-in where the market is heading, as opposed to hybrids as a way to hedge our bets," Volkswagen CEO Scott Keogh told the Journal.
MY PROBLEM WITH THIS: Electric vehicles are NOT pollution free vehicles. They are POLLUTION SHIFT vehicles. They shift the pollution from where the vehicle is operated, to where the electricity is generated.
The pollution generated by these vehicles should include "their fair share" (good ole liberal term) of the pollution generated to produce the electricity, batteries, etc. This should also include all the transmission line problems and inefficiencies.
Only then can pollution from electric vehicle be measured in a fair basis, vs. pollution from other types of vehicles.
Two top automakers are ditching hybrid vehicles and going all in on fully electric cars.
The move from GM and Volkswagen is all about meeting tough emissions standards that are being implemented around the world, according Opens a New Window. to the Wall Street Journal.
"Our strong preference is to go all-in where the market is heading, as opposed to hybrids as a way to hedge our bets," Volkswagen CEO Scott Keogh told the Journal.
MY PROBLEM WITH THIS: Electric vehicles are NOT pollution free vehicles. They are POLLUTION SHIFT vehicles. They shift the pollution from where the vehicle is operated, to where the electricity is generated.
The pollution generated by these vehicles should include "their fair share" (good ole liberal term) of the pollution generated to produce the electricity, batteries, etc. This should also include all the transmission line problems and inefficiencies.
Only then can pollution from electric vehicle be measured in a fair basis, vs. pollution from other types of vehicles.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 9:56 am
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Posted on 8/12/19 at 9:53 am to OmniPundit
Bit misleading
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:01 am to OmniPundit
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They are POLLUTION SHIFT vehicles. They shift the pollution from where the vehicle is operated
Well, if you can't see the smoke coming from the tailpipe, the pollution must be gone, right?
Ending the use of fossil fuels is a political goal, not an environmental goal.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:19 am to TheHarahanian
Politicians, and even some of my fellow scientists are giving electric vehicles a free pass. I'm not sure why. Any ideas as to why?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:23 am to OmniPundit
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giving electric vehicles a free pass
Because they don't use gas. Big Oil is a Dem target because it's a huge part of the U.S. economy, directly and indirectly.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:36 am to OmniPundit
Do they still emit smug?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:39 am to OmniPundit
How will electric vehicle owners/operators pay for road up keep. Gas and diesel vehicles pay at the pump. Maybe we should mandate a GPS based meter. And would help tract these socialist 
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:40 am to TheHarahanian
Two questions about hybrid and/or all-electric vehicles:
1. Utility companies struggle to provide enough electricity for houses and businesses during periods of extreme heat or cold. How will they keep up if hundreds of thousands (or millions) of hybrid vehicles are added to the mix?
2. Recharging, under the best of circumstances, takes several hours. More common is plugging into a home charging station for an overnight process. How long will it be before recharging can be accomplished in the same time as filling a gas tank?
1. Utility companies struggle to provide enough electricity for houses and businesses during periods of extreme heat or cold. How will they keep up if hundreds of thousands (or millions) of hybrid vehicles are added to the mix?
2. Recharging, under the best of circumstances, takes several hours. More common is plugging into a home charging station for an overnight process. How long will it be before recharging can be accomplished in the same time as filling a gas tank?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:48 am to ronniep1
Good examples of two more problems that are "swept under the rug" by the electric vehicle supporters.
While this is an electrical vehicle problem, it is a MAJOR problem in it's own right, even w/o the added contributions from electric vehicles. Finally, this one is beginning to get a little press -- at least if a politician is out campaigning when it strikes his city.
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Utility companies struggle to provide enough electricity for houses and businesses during periods of extreme heat or cold. How will they keep up if hundreds of thousands (or millions) of hybrid vehicles are added to the mix?
While this is an electrical vehicle problem, it is a MAJOR problem in it's own right, even w/o the added contributions from electric vehicles. Finally, this one is beginning to get a little press -- at least if a politician is out campaigning when it strikes his city.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 10:58 am
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:53 am to cajuncarguy
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How will electric vehicle owners/operators pay for road up keep. Gas and diesel vehicles pay at the pump. Maybe we should mandate a GPS based meter. And would help tract these socialist
States are bumping up registration fees for EV's versus traditional cars. It's not nearly the equivalent of a years worth of gas taxes though.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:55 am to OmniPundit
Our global governments have done a ton of damage to the environment by channeling all of these companies' resources into electric vehicles, instead of letting them expirement with biofuels and electricity together and letting consumers pick which technology is more efficient with their dollars. Subisidies are limiting the technological advancements in energy and they are paying car companies to do so.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:56 am to cajuncarguy
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How will electric vehicle owners/operators pay for road up keep.
How do you think? It's not difficult to imagine that where there is a will (for funds via taxation), there is a way (tax on registered electric vehicle owners).
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:59 am to ronniep1
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Two questions about hybrid and/or all-electric vehicles:
1. Utility companies struggle to provide enough electricity for houses and businesses during periods of extreme heat or cold. How will they keep up if hundreds of thousands (or millions) of hybrid vehicles are added to the mix?
2. Recharging, under the best of circumstances, takes several hours. More common is plugging into a home charging station for an overnight process. How long will it be before recharging can be accomplished in the same time as filling a gas tank?
For No. 1, you could actually use the batteries in the vehicles as part of the grid. Which is kind of cool, regardless of what you think about the environmental benefits or lack of.
For No. 2, a wise person would make the batteries universal and quickly removable, then the time would be far less. Just pull in and swap the battery. Takes me like 5 seconds to swap a battery on my electric leaf blower vs about a minute or 2 to fill the tank on my Echo.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:01 am to OmniPundit
Do any battery manufacturing research?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:03 am to OmniPundit
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They shift the pollution from where the vehicle is operated, to where the electricity is generated.
Not to mention the enormous environmental impact of the mining of rare, specialized material required to create batteries - which are shipped to and fro for manufacture with hydrocarbons.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:04 am to OmniPundit
VW needs to put the turbo diesel back into SUVs and cars.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:09 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Just taxing the vehicle won’t work. They should pay per mile. Currently gas/diesel owners pay per gallon. So theoretically the heavier vehicles, requiring more energy to move, pay more tax. So the only fair way is to have specialized meters that communicate with vehicles computer so they can’t cheat. Turn in back onto them!
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:17 am to cajuncarguy
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So the only fair way is to have specialized meters that communicate with vehicles computer so they can’t cheat. Turn in back onto them!
I read the first sentence of your reply and formulated my response but reading further on yours you have it covered quite well. I was being a bit facetious with my first response but you are correct. A smart meter communicating through the web utilizing Google AI technology can keep track of this nicely. When we drive large stretches out in the desert the meter will store the data and report back to the World Wide Web at first opportunity. There, we have a way electric vehicle owners will pay for our roads.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:19 am to Possumslayer
No. But I do have questions about "vehicle fires, caused short circuits".
Every short circuit I've ever known about happened instantaneously. In contrast, electric battery fires don't seem to happen instantaneously. Time to look for a different mechanism.
My best guess (and I emphasize guess; I've never done the research) is very slow air leakage to the lithium in a lithium ion battery. (Lithium is pyrophoric; it auto ignites if exposed to oxygen.) Most likely location would be around the electrodes, or a minute crack from rough use or an accident.
For instance, a friend owns a vehicle maintenance and repair shop. An electric scooter that had been in an accident was in storage in his shop. After sitting in storage for a couple of days, it auto ignited.
A slow air leak would cause heat within the battery, until it finally ignited. This may be completely wrong, but to me, it seems to fit the battery fires much better that a short.
Every short circuit I've ever known about happened instantaneously. In contrast, electric battery fires don't seem to happen instantaneously. Time to look for a different mechanism.
My best guess (and I emphasize guess; I've never done the research) is very slow air leakage to the lithium in a lithium ion battery. (Lithium is pyrophoric; it auto ignites if exposed to oxygen.) Most likely location would be around the electrodes, or a minute crack from rough use or an accident.
For instance, a friend owns a vehicle maintenance and repair shop. An electric scooter that had been in an accident was in storage in his shop. After sitting in storage for a couple of days, it auto ignited.
A slow air leak would cause heat within the battery, until it finally ignited. This may be completely wrong, but to me, it seems to fit the battery fires much better that a short.
This post was edited on 8/12/19 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:31 am to OmniPundit
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MY PROBLEM WITH THIS: Electric vehicles are NOT pollution free vehicles. They are POLLUTION SHIFT vehicles. They shift the pollution from where the vehicle is operated, to where the electricity is generated.
Exactly. My hybrid get almost the same "mpg" as electric and my car generates some of it's own electricity on it's own.
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