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re: LSU golf course
Posted on 10/9/19 at 9:08 am to lsu13lsu
Posted on 10/9/19 at 9:08 am to lsu13lsu
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I just want to make sure I understand what everyone wants. Convenient golf within a five minute drive of their house, Cheap (but for the kids!!) and good conditions?
Pretty much.
I'm perfectly content paying $20 to walk Webb on a weekend morning with the conditions that course is in right now. I've been playing that course for almost 25 years, and it's never been in as good a shape as it is right now. When LSU was in decent shape, it was a similar price point.
That's a better option for me than having to drive to Gonzales, Zachary, Plaquemine, etc. and pay $45-$65 to play on "nicer" courses. I do enjoy playing those courses, but it's not always feasible to do so on a consistent basis. At least for me.
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Posted on 10/9/19 at 9:08 am to lsu13lsu
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Before 3PM LSU is cheaper but not by much at all. All are in the $20 range.
The discount seems better to me than that. You can play 18 with range balls at LSU for around $16 with tax M-Th and it's somewhere around $12 cheaper on the weekends. The good thing to me about LSU is that students can get play all times of the day any day.
I agree that golf is cheap in the area but I'd really hate to lose LSU as a course. I always loved playing the course and seeing Tiger Stadium in the background or hearing the cheers from Alex Box on the weekends.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 9:10 am to BMoney
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That's a better option for me than having to drive to Gonzales, Zachary, Plaquemine, etc. and pay $45-$65 to play on "nicer" courses. I do enjoy playing those courses, but it's not always feasible to do so on a consistent basis. At least for me.
Same. I think we are at a point where golf isn't as popular with the general public as it used to be. When it's cheaper, I play more.
ETA: I use a student discount when I can so I have a little bit of bias.
This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/9/19 at 9:12 am to lsu13lsu
I don't think Clark and Dumas are closing. I think, last I read, they are turning 27 holes into 18 holes.
I like City Park, fwiw. It's a fun little golf course to play after work and walking it is easy/cheap. But if I'm getting a yard pass on the weekend, I'm not going there.
I like City Park, fwiw. It's a fun little golf course to play after work and walking it is easy/cheap. But if I'm getting a yard pass on the weekend, I'm not going there.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 9:13 am to Monday
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I think we are at a point where golf isn't as popular with the general public as it used to be. When it's cheaper, I play more.
Cheap golf is not sustainable. Cheap = less revenue = worse conditions = less traffic = less revenue = closure.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 9:23 am to lsu13lsu
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I just want to make sure I understand what everyone wants. Convenient golf within a five minute drive of their house, Cheap (but for the kids!!) and good conditions?
If I was golf czar of Baton Rouge, where I had control over every course in the city, regardless of who owns it, I'd do the following:
Webb: Sell off the left side of the ditch and the other side of College. Take that money and turn it into a 9 hole course with a phenomenal practice area. Set it up so it could play from a couple different tees so it could be as close to 18 different holes as possible. It would take some ingenuity, but it could be done.
City: Turn the first couple holes into a park for the community. Then I'd take the rest of the course and turn it into a 9 hole par 3 course, and put lights so you could play it at night.
Beaver: Leave it as is. Although, I'd let the native grass they have out there grow more rampant. It's a beautiful feature they lose when they scalp it. I wouldn't put it anywhere that it would effect play, but it makes the course seem much nicer when they have pockets of it growing around.
Santa Maria: Demolish 1 tee and move it up 50 yards. Pull out the cart path and expand the driving range back as far as you could and expand it on the other side of the snack stand and bathrooms and tie it in to 10 tee. Put a fairway bunker on the right side of one fairway to give a risk reward to hitting driver from what was the ladies tees.
JS Clark/ Dumas: no idea.
Bluffs: Get it back to where I'll willing pay more than $100 to play it. That is the lane this course should live in. I'm not playing it weekly, but I'll make the trip every now and then and pay top dollar for a great course.
Sherwood: I'd buy Sherwood and turn it into what Webb is currently.
Let Pelican, Carter, Greystone, and Island keep doing their things. They will still pull people who live in those areas and people who want to travel for golf. The three country clubs would stay the exact same, but I'm demolishing 15 green at UClub and starting over.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 10:51 am to Zanzibaw
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Cheap golf is not sustainable. Cheap = less revenue = worse conditions = less traffic = less revenue = closure.
Exactly.
You can have one cheap course in the area. But, if every course in the area is fighting over price then it is not sustainable. All the courses are fighting over the rounds and there isn't enough to go around.
Too many courses in the area are empty during Fall/Winter, Football and Hunting Season. Too many are empty on any given weekday. That includes BR Proper courses.
It isn't sustainable.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:00 am to Monday
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You can play 18 with range balls at LSU for around $16 with tax M-Th and it's somewhere around $12 cheaper on the weekends.
If it is cheaper on the weekends then I see why they are going out of business.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:00 am to lsu13lsu
Honestly I think Webb Memorial is one of the worst layouts I've ever played in my life. It's not exactly ideal when multiple holes have apartment complexes with drug dealers living there and in play and hassling golfers. LSU Golf Course is much more enjoyable to play than Webb and has Tiger Stadium in the background of multiple holes which is awesome. Plus the location is solid and students need a place to play. Since joining UCLUB isn't much of an option for them.
I wish they would raise the rates of range balls, tee times, and hire a superintendent for LSU and it could be a fun course to play with some extra money going through it. Earlier in May it was in great shape.
I wish they would raise the rates of range balls, tee times, and hire a superintendent for LSU and it could be a fun course to play with some extra money going through it. Earlier in May it was in great shape.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:06 am to nerdmachine
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Since joining UCLUB isn't much of an option for them.
City Park is as close to campus as you can get. It is on the LSU Lakes. Webb Park is 5 minutes from there. Dumas and Clark are 15 minutes from there.
All extremely cheap to play for even students. I would rather keep LSU open but hard to argue all these courses need to exist.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:11 am to lsu13lsu
I agree that you should close some courses, but LSU shouldn't be it. Best layout of any of those you just listed and most enjoyable to play. Webb is terrible, City Park is okay but just 9 holes, Dumas I actually enjoy but the location is inconvenient, and have never played Clark so assume it's probably a dump. Multiple SEC schools have university ran courses for students that are much nicer than LSU as far as conditions but there's no reason it can't be in better shape. It's bad now because they don't have a real superintendent running it.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:15 am to nerdmachine
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Multiple SEC schools have university ran courses for students that are much nicer than LSU as far as conditions but there's no reason it can't be in better shape. It's bad now because they don't have a real superintendent running it.
Because they can't afford one because not enough people play it at the current price point. They can't raise the price point because the product doesn't support it.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:19 am to Zanzibaw
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Because they can't afford one because not enough people play it at the current price point. They can't raise the price point because the product doesn't support it.
People are happily paying less than $20 for range balls, cart and green fees and angry the course is closing. They want State Taxpayers and Parents of students to pay for it. Or students to pay for it over the next 30 years via student loans.
This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 11:21 am
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:30 am to lsu13lsu
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People are happily paying less than $20 for range balls, cart and green fees and angry the course is closing.
I get the convenience and nostalgia part of it, but golf courses close it's just a fact of life. When they can't be profitable and the land is worth so much more as land and not a golf course, then business becomes business.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:36 am to Zanzibaw
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land is worth so much more as land and not a golf course, then business becomes business.
I get what you're saying, and agree with it, but isn't there a huge cow pasture right next to the LSU course?
Posted on 10/9/19 at 11:39 am to BlackCoffeeKid
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I get what you're saying, and agree with it, but isn't there a huge cow pasture right next to the LSU course?
Yep, and that cow pasture is worth a lot of money too, but costs a whole lot less to operate.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 12:04 pm to Zanzibaw
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that cow pasture is worth a lot of money too, but costs a whole lot less to operate.
You can actually budget for a cow pasture too. Golf Course is very hard to budget for. Expensive equipment and irrigation systems breakdown out of no where. Greens die around here all the time. You don't budget for those things every year.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 12:14 pm to Zanzibaw
It's a vicious cycle I agree, it just would be a shame for it to close and for the only courses in city limits to be Dumas, Webb, and City Park. Like I said, Webb is awful, one of the worst layouts I've ever played in my life.
Posted on 10/9/19 at 12:21 pm to nerdmachine
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Dumas, Webb, and City Park
Clark
Santa Maria
U-Club
CCL
BRCC
That is a lot of golf for this area. People are finally going to get exactly what they are paying for. If they want $16 golf then we have all gotten what we deserved.
This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/9/19 at 12:27 pm to nerdmachine
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Like I said, Webb is awful, one of the worst layouts I've ever played in my life.
Arguing over whether Webb or LSU should be closed and has the better layout is the sad state of Baton Rouge Golf. They are both garbage relative to the value and location of the real estate they hold.
This post was edited on 10/9/19 at 12:28 pm
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