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re: Is $1 million a lot of money in 2019?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:59 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:59 am to Ace Midnight
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Is $1 million a lot of money in 2019?
yes
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You could take, what $40k or maybe $50k (after a particularly good year) and expect that money to take you all the way to 85.
very likely, but i was thinking $1M as a 36 year old
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Now, if your house is paid for, with SS kicking in at some future date, maybe, but I certainly would feel comfortable at that point.
i assumed for the 60 year old they had a paid off house and SS on the horizon. health care would be your primary expense, and that's irrelevant once 65 hits and Medicare kicks in
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:23 pm to Ace Midnight
If you can retire with no debt, $1M in liquid investments, and maybe an additional $100k in a cash mutual fund, I'd say you'd be sitting pretty. If you can be disciplined and live off maybe $50k for the first 5 years, depending on what your retirement age is, you'd definitely be in the clear
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:28 pm to Ace Midnight
I’m 40. Just built a new home and paid cash — $1.2 million. Have about $700k liquid and two daughters, 7 and 8, who have about $75k in college and trust accounts.
Our goal—live off $7,000 a month and continue working until at least 50.
My wife is a public school teacher/counselor in Texas and should retire with $4k a month.
I own a business that I will probably always own and pass on to a daughter or son-in-law someday.
Duel income, our goal is to have $2,000,000 socked away, when we retire and still have money coming in from the company.
$1,000,000 is a ton of money.
Our goal—live off $7,000 a month and continue working until at least 50.
My wife is a public school teacher/counselor in Texas and should retire with $4k a month.
I own a business that I will probably always own and pass on to a daughter or son-in-law someday.
Duel income, our goal is to have $2,000,000 socked away, when we retire and still have money coming in from the company.
$1,000,000 is a ton of money.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:29 pm to Ace Midnight
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Anyway, I digress. If you had $1 million and you were, say, 60. Assuming reasonable health and a life expectancy of 85 at that point, could you retire? You could take, what $40k or maybe $50k (after a particularly good year) and expect that money to take you all the way to 85.
Now, if your house is paid for, with SS kicking in at some future date, maybe, but I certainly would feel comfortable at that point.
Isn't $2 million the new $1 million?
What am I missing?
Is 60 retiring in 2020 or 10-20 years out? Big difference. Have you priced decent health insurance for a current 60 year old? It ain't cheap, especially if you have a spouse. My take on this is $1M today in isolation is not a lot of money, especially at current market levels. $1M in February 2009, that would have been some good $ due to potential market upside and other depressed asset pricing. For a couple without employer private insurance in retirement to bridge the gap to medicare I believe $3M+ in currently invested assets is a reasonable number, + a home with nominal current cost of ownership. I am not talking about a couple with combined sub-$100k pre-tax income. So, 2-couple household, I would want $130k minimum annual income from multiple sources at relatively low draw rates when pulling the plug, plus SSI and pension down the foreseeable line.
As an individual if you will have 2 pensions that are "guaranteed" at 60 (when can these pensions be drawn and are they inflation adjusted?) + SSI (let's just say pensions are taken at 60 and SSI later and pensions provide $35-40k current income and you have $1M in investments, that is a different story for a single person, although the tax impact of pensions, SSI, and tax deferred withdrawals could be expensive from a tax stand point. I have a sibling who started receiving $58k in pension with inflation adjustment at 59 last year + heavily subsidized employer health insurance with little in retirement assets, like $60k, although she does own a home. I would pay $1.3M for the deal she has, yet still be very uncomfortable with only $60k in monetary assets. People might think my numbers are high, but if one is planning an active retirement, trips, etc (excluding expensive boats and vehicles baws love to acquire) I don't think it is off for a low to moderate cost of living location. Health insurance and access to quality health care providers would likely be high on the priority list for me.
My wife and I are only 1 year apart in age, I "retired" at 47 and that's been 8 years. I believe my wife will retire in mid-2020 although she may still work 1-2 days a week, or maybe a consecutive quarter once a year, etc as she doesn't want to completely leave her occupation or lose her license. Our net worth has continued to climb significantly, so I quit being concerned about what is enough or if I need to go back to work, although I do wonder what would happen to my wife if I died suddenly as she is no investor. YMMV.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:55 pm to Ace Midnight
Depends heavily on living expenses and location. I run a ton of cash flow projections and Montecarlo projections in my job for HNW and UHNW clients. I have seen clients in their 60s with a NW of $20M with $10M liquid flunk Monte Carlo. That makes for an interesting conversation.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 5:54 pm to Ace Midnight
Yes 1 million is a lot of money. More than 15 years pretax salary for the average working American.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 6:58 pm to Ace Midnight
$1 million has been anchored as a ton of money for a while. It doesn't go as far as it did in 1995, but yes it's a lot of money.
If your income is less than $100k and you retire at 65 with a million dollars you probably won't have much of an adjustment in lifestyle.
You won't be saving income ($15k/yr), saving for college ($5k/yr) or paying a mortgage ($15k/yr). You will receive SS ($35k/yr) and will be eligible for Medicare.
Even if you only spend $40k/yr from investments (4%) that puts you at an equivalent income of $110k and you will avoid SS/Medicare taxes on passive income.
If you retire earlier (say 60) or still have a mortgage it's a different ballgame.
If your income is less than $100k and you retire at 65 with a million dollars you probably won't have much of an adjustment in lifestyle.
You won't be saving income ($15k/yr), saving for college ($5k/yr) or paying a mortgage ($15k/yr). You will receive SS ($35k/yr) and will be eligible for Medicare.
Even if you only spend $40k/yr from investments (4%) that puts you at an equivalent income of $110k and you will avoid SS/Medicare taxes on passive income.
If you retire earlier (say 60) or still have a mortgage it's a different ballgame.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:57 am to Ace Midnight
Well if $2 million is the new $1 million today then does that mean $4 million will be the new $2 million 35 years from now when I retire?
Posted on 7/1/19 at 7:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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Full disclosure: I don't have $1m liquid or otherwise. I place my virtual net worth at about $700k, but that's playing games about shite that hasn't happened yet. "Real world", it's my liquid assests, which are under $100k because of a lot of things.
Anyway, I digress. If you had $1 million and you were, say, 60. Assuming reasonable health and a life expectancy of 85 at that point, could you retire? You could take, what $40k or maybe $50k (after a particularly good year) and expect that money to take you all the way to 85.
Now, if your house is paid for, with SS kicking in at some future date, maybe, but I certainly would feel comfortable at that point.
Isn't $2 million the new $1 million?
1 mill is plenty assume you have no debt and have a little SS check coming in and you live within your means
Posted on 7/4/19 at 2:43 am to Ace Midnight
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Isn't $2 million the new $1 million?
A lot of wealth managers won't work with less than $20 million.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 5:51 pm to Ace Midnight
It is if you don’t have it
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