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re: For those of you who care about debt/deficit, 2020 will be a loss no matter what
Posted on 6/16/19 at 8:22 pm to Dale51
Posted on 6/16/19 at 8:22 pm to Dale51
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Obama took debt that took 230+ years to accumulate and doubled it in 8 years.
He did this on purpose to destroy the country.
He is, and has always been a slimy, anti American communist. The fact that more people can't see this is amazing.
I think you got Bush and Obama mixed up
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Posted on 6/16/19 at 8:33 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:For sure. They are doing an awesome job reducing the debt.
The debt is one of my primary voting interest. Neither the Rs or Ds are going to address the topic at all. I’ll vote Libertarian again.
Posted on 6/16/19 at 8:34 pm to bmy
quote:I think you don’t do math very well. Obama’s deficits are in no way comparable to Bush’s. The deficit in 2007 was a mere $160B. Obama’s smallest deficit was $441B. Largest? Bush’s was $458. Obama’s $1.4 Trillion.
I think you got Bush and Obama mixed up
This post was edited on 6/16/19 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 6/16/19 at 8:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You'd had to vote third party.
If you’re concerned about debt and deficit, and don’t vote republican, you aren’t really concerned about debt and deficit. A vote for any third party is nothing but a vote to ensure that a democrat wins, which can’t possibly improve the debt or deficit. The only place democrats save money is by gutting our military.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 7:41 am to Taxing Authority
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I think you don’t do math very well. Obama’s deficits are in no way comparable to Bush’s. The deficit in 2007 was a mere $160B. Obama’s smallest deficit was $441B. Largest? Bush’s was $458. Obama’s $1.4 Trillion.
2001: ~5.8 trillion debt
2009: ~12 trillion debt
Oof.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 7:47 am to bmy
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2009: ~12 trillion debt
It was 10.6 then 19 when he bailed
Ooof
Posted on 6/17/19 at 7:51 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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For those of you who care about debt/deficit, 2020 will be a loss no matter what
So what has the debt/deficit been like under the current administration?
Posted on 6/17/19 at 7:53 am to boogiewoogie1978
Expanding.
You think you have some gotcha?
You think you have some gotcha?
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:16 am to Grim
quote:
I'm not a fan of how far right the dems have shifted
What do dems believe in that is even remotely close to center?
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:35 am to troyt37
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The only place democrats save money is by gutting our military.
You can't call it saving money if it's spent elsewhere.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:41 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Friend, that's a 20th century battle.
The devaluation and default (against the citizens of the nation) that is coming in the future is now set in stone.
The question is now whether those citizens will be permitted to have free speech, own guns, speak English, and worship Jesus.
The devaluation and default (against the citizens of the nation) that is coming in the future is now set in stone.
The question is now whether those citizens will be permitted to have free speech, own guns, speak English, and worship Jesus.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:44 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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For those of you who care about debt/deficit, 2020 will be a loss no matter what
Here's the bad news. I personally think it's reached a point to where it almost doesn't matter.
Within OUR lifetimes, anything done that will ACTUALLY fix the problem will feel indistinguishable from whatever happens when we finally drive over the debt cliff.
We have baked in so much spending that any real reform that deals with that problem will likely be felt to individual Americans worse than the Great Depression.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:49 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Here's the bad news. I personally think it's reached a point to where it almost doesn't matter. Within OUR lifetimes, anything done that will ACTUALLY fix the problem will feel indistinguishable from whatever happens when we finally drive over the debt cliff. We have baked in so much spending that any real reform that deals with that problem will likely be felt to individual Americans worse than the Great Depression.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:51 am to bmy
quote:
2001: ~5.8 trillion debt
2009: ~12 trillion debt
Oof.
And Trump will have it around $24 - $25 trillion in 4 short years.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 8:59 am to mmcgrath
quote:And, unfortunately, whomever comes after that will continue the race upward largely because it is literally politically impossible to fix at this point.
And Trump will have it around $24 - $25 trillion in 4 short years.
People my age who tried to tell people back in the 80s that we were headed towards a cliff of basically automated bankruptcy were right. It is now just flat out fact that we were 100% right.
Alas, it's too late now. Way too late.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 9:03 am to DemonKA3268
The problem is, just like a family who has to get its shite together when they've gone deep in debt, there are short term lifestyle consequences to solving it. The family eats a lot more pasta, a lot less steak and eating out is off limits. The caliber of their cars goes down and, no more new clothes bought with credit cards. But, they go through this short term pain because they know the light at the end of the tunnel if they succeed is so much better.
Alas, the US, if it did what HAS to be done, would incur "short term" pain that would be horrendous. It would be the equivalent of telling the family that needs to get its shite together that the parents and the children will just basically die before they see the benefits and will live a life of misery............and maybe the grandkids will reap the rewards!
That's the the political sales pitch we're stuck with if we're all being honest about it.
Alas, the US, if it did what HAS to be done, would incur "short term" pain that would be horrendous. It would be the equivalent of telling the family that needs to get its shite together that the parents and the children will just basically die before they see the benefits and will live a life of misery............and maybe the grandkids will reap the rewards!
That's the the political sales pitch we're stuck with if we're all being honest about it.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 10:52 am to Dale51
Tell me again how Trump has cut the debt since he took office? oh that's right he is on pace to do the same thing Obama did with the debt. He must be an anti american communist also ....
Posted on 6/17/19 at 10:55 am to ShortyRob
Yep. Politicians will never risk what it takes to be done to fix the problems. Talking about the deficit or serious solutions will be kept to internet message boards.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 10:59 am to BeeFense5
quote:
Expanding.
You think you have some gotcha?
Just pointing out this is a bipartisan issue. OP wanted to blame/fear Dems but it is an issue with Government.
Posted on 6/17/19 at 11:05 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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For those of you who care about debt/deficit, 2020 will be a loss no matter what
Have Trump and the Re-cuck-lican Party spent even a penny's worth of political capital on debt/deficit reduction?
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