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re: Minor news: Kyler thinks that Chicago has been involved in talks
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:42 am to teke184
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:42 am to teke184
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The 7 is better than Ball from our purposes both as a trade chit and as the opportunity to get a player who fits what we want, which Ball doesn’t.
I think you're undervaluing Ball's league wide value. I could be wrong, but Kevin Pelton had a column yesterday ranking the individual assets of both Boston and the Lakers and he had Ball as his second most valuable asset, behind Tatum.
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:44 am to teke184
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The 7 is better than Ball from our purposes both as a trade chit and as the opportunity to get a player who fits what we want, which Ball doesn’t.
I know teams tend to love the shiny new gift to unwrap themselves in a draft pick, but this draft is known to be a 3 (maybe 4 with Garland) person draft. This year's picks just don't hold as much wright pass #3. Also, why couldn't Ball fit this system. He is actually the type of point guard Alvin wants in his system. Lonzo is not a preferred choice as being part of a return, but he is better and more valuable than any draft pick after #3.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:47 am to Epic Cajun
Ball is really good. He just can't shoot for shite. One could argue that if he had a respectable shot, he would be the the #1 assest of all the pieces. All of the advanced metrics (outside of shooting) says he is a damn good player. I really think this board I down on him because of his Father's antics, and Lonzo statung he doesn't want to be here.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:50 am to 504Voodoo
Shooting is kind of a big deal. He can’t even hit a fricking free throw.
Who loses 30% off their FT% between college and the pros without having a major injury breaking their shot completely?
Who loses 30% off their FT% between college and the pros without having a major injury breaking their shot completely?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:50 am to 504Voodoo
I agree. At one one point I really didn’t want him. But man him and Zion in transition would be legit. And his defense along with Jrue’s would be amazing to see. He just needs to fix his shot and buy into what we are building down here.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:56 am to 504Voodoo
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I really think this board I down on him because of his Father's antics, and Lonzo statung he doesn't want to be here.
Lonzo never said this. And LaVar has somewhat backed away from anymore comments like this lately, even given the opportunity to have them. He said he doesn't think Lonzo is being traded, but he hasn't said that the doesn't want to play in New Orleans, even when asked how he thinks Lonzo would fit next to Zion.
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He just can't shoot for shite.
How good of a shooter do you think he would need to be? What do you consider respectable? 35% from 3? His free throw percentage is pretty fricked, but I think he's close to a ~60% shooter from there, than the 41% he showed in limited attempts last season. Not that 60% is what you want from your starting guard.
He isn't without flaws, but the dad thing and the LA thing are the biggest reasons why he's hated on this board though.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:58 am to Epic Cajun
quote:He has shot in the 40-45% for 2 seasons now. I could not say he was a 60% shooter, although you would think that if Drummond can improve, he hopefully could. However, I would want 75%+ from my PG, not just 60%.
His free throw percentage is pretty fricked, but I think he's close to a ~60% shooter from there, than the 41% he showed in limited attempts last season. Not that 60% is what you want from your starting guard.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:58 am to Epic Cajun
I think landing Zion and the hire of Griffin changed the way they feel about Nola. L
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:00 am to Fun Bunch
Flipping that #4 for Markkanen or Carter Jr. would be a dream. Not going to happen, but it's fun to dream.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:01 am to teke184
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The 7 is better than Ball from our purposes both as a trade chit and as the opportunity to get a player who fits what we want, which Ball doesn’t.
this is ridiculous
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:04 am to Epic Cajun
I like Ball better than those other young Lakers, but he's a risk and people don't seem to want him.
And if he has league-wide value, he should also have value to the Pels because the Pels need a PG. But apparently just not him.
And if he has league-wide value, he should also have value to the Pels because the Pels need a PG. But apparently just not him.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:12 am to Fun Bunch
At the very least I’d like to see them get involved with the bidding war and drive the price up. They have a lot of pieces, but most have a glaring weakness.
Levine 24 - Locked up for 3 years at $19m
Lauri 22 - rookie deal for 3 more years
Carter 20 - rookie deal for 4 more years
Porter 26 - terrible contract 2/55
7th pick
Fillers:
Dunn 25 - 2 years left on rookie deal
Hutchinson 23 - 4 years left on rookie deal
Valentine 25 - 2 years left on rookie deal. No idea if he’ll be healthy again
And their future first are much more appealing than the Lakers would be with AD/Lebron
Levine 24 - Locked up for 3 years at $19m
Lauri 22 - rookie deal for 3 more years
Carter 20 - rookie deal for 4 more years
Porter 26 - terrible contract 2/55
7th pick
Fillers:
Dunn 25 - 2 years left on rookie deal
Hutchinson 23 - 4 years left on rookie deal
Valentine 25 - 2 years left on rookie deal. No idea if he’ll be healthy again
And their future first are much more appealing than the Lakers would be with AD/Lebron
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:13 am to Overbrook
There are still teams that value a pass first, lengthy defensive PG. Even in Ball's current state there are suitors, as he doesnt even need to start and he's the ultimate buy low guy with upside. Bull's have already been reported as interested
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:14 am to 1ranter1
Valentine intrigues me
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:16 am to LosLobos111
I don't understand why AD has been so anti Chicago, considering it is his home town. I have heard that it is due to their management, but that is trumped by how shitty the Lakers are.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:17 am to Overbrook
This board is wayyyy down on the Lakers assets. Obviously I would rather a Boston package with everything/most of what we want, but Ingram and Ball are way undervalued here.
Shooting isn't even really that much of a concern for me with lonzo. He does everything else really well and has really really high bbiq. My concern with him is durability, not his shooting, desire to stay in LA or his daddy.
Ingram is also a player that has shown a ton of promise. His blood clots are a non issue according to the reports from the doctors and he can play great defense in addition to scoring.
Kuzma is mostly trash and wouldn't get meaningful minutes on any true contender.
4th pick is interesting. Maybe we semd it off before it even gets to us, maybe we trade back, maybe we take BPA, put in position to shine and then flip him if the fit isn't right a la MCW and Philly.
Shooting isn't even really that much of a concern for me with lonzo. He does everything else really well and has really really high bbiq. My concern with him is durability, not his shooting, desire to stay in LA or his daddy.
Ingram is also a player that has shown a ton of promise. His blood clots are a non issue according to the reports from the doctors and he can play great defense in addition to scoring.
Kuzma is mostly trash and wouldn't get meaningful minutes on any true contender.
4th pick is interesting. Maybe we semd it off before it even gets to us, maybe we trade back, maybe we take BPA, put in position to shine and then flip him if the fit isn't right a la MCW and Philly.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:19 am to NOSHAU
The problem with Levine is and will always be his defense. It’s putrid and off putting for someone with his abilities. He’s really good offensively but he only plays on one side of the ball.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:21 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:Huge assumption regarding the clots. Also, this is interesting-
Ingram is also a player that has shown a ton of promise. His blood clots are a non issue according to the reports from the doctors and he can play great defense in addition to scoring.
LINK
On his twitter feed he talks about Ingram's contract and terrible advanced stats as the reasons for his low ranking, and not simply his health.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:25 am to NOSHAU
I would trade #4 for Zach LaVine in a heartbeat. Dude is still 24, 23 PPG, shot 47% FG, 37% 3PT, 19 PER and it's been his best year so far. He's only going to get better and a change of scenery could benefit him greatly.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:26 am to JohnnyKilroy
That’s kind of the problem with having a deal basically laid out 4 months ago. We have had a LOT of time to pick it apart and see all the flaws in it.
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