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Question for pro choice advocates
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:02 pm
People on the left typically work hard to preserve rights such as animal rights, caring for the environment, rights of minority groups.
Since the point at which a fetus is a human is debated, why wouldn't you err on the side of caution regarding the life of an unborn human being? If it is possible that a fetus can be human at some point during pregnancy (which means it should be protected from murder), why wouldn't you give it the benefit of the doubt? Jurisprudence in this country operates on the premise of innocent until proven guilty, yet pro choice advocates oppose this notion in being so liberal with abortion.
If you're going to respond that a woman's bodily authority trumps any claim an unborn human has to right to life or that abortion alleviates socio-economic pressures, why can't babies be given up for adoption? This costs the mother nothing, the baby isn't potentially born into poverty, she avoids the possibility of murdering someone and people who want to adopt are rewarded.
It seems to me that the pro life position is the a fortiori position. It does not infringe upon the woman's ability to choose to retain the baby, it protects the rights of the baby and it satisfies the adoption demand.
I'm hoping to get a definitive answer from pro choice advocates to these questions
Since the point at which a fetus is a human is debated, why wouldn't you err on the side of caution regarding the life of an unborn human being? If it is possible that a fetus can be human at some point during pregnancy (which means it should be protected from murder), why wouldn't you give it the benefit of the doubt? Jurisprudence in this country operates on the premise of innocent until proven guilty, yet pro choice advocates oppose this notion in being so liberal with abortion.
If you're going to respond that a woman's bodily authority trumps any claim an unborn human has to right to life or that abortion alleviates socio-economic pressures, why can't babies be given up for adoption? This costs the mother nothing, the baby isn't potentially born into poverty, she avoids the possibility of murdering someone and people who want to adopt are rewarded.
It seems to me that the pro life position is the a fortiori position. It does not infringe upon the woman's ability to choose to retain the baby, it protects the rights of the baby and it satisfies the adoption demand.
I'm hoping to get a definitive answer from pro choice advocates to these questions
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Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:07 pm to bfniii
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:08 pm to TheMailman
Liberals are so bad at memes.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:13 pm to TheMailman
Weak analogy.
How is an unfertilized egg the same as a fetus?
How is an unfertilized egg the same as a fetus?
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:15 pm to bfniii
quote:
pro choice
Don't use their propaganda terms
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:17 pm to TheMailman
was that fried egg supposed to be a response to the op?
Posted on 5/24/19 at 12:21 pm to bfniii
not one pro choice person has responded. go figure. it's a simple question
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:19 am to bfniii
quote:
This costs the mother nothing,
Except for 100% changing her life by having to carry and give birth to a baby she never wanted...
Abortion is a losing topic for conservatives. There is nothing to gain except grandstanding at the cost of losing the 2020 and possibly future elections.
Same shite the Dems have been pulling the past couple years.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 2:31 am to BurningHeart
It's really sad she didn't know what causes pregnancy and had no way to prevent it.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:34 am to NoisyNinja79
quote:
It's really sad she didn't know what causes pregnancy and had no way to prevent it.
Original sin? It’s her fault the condom broke or that he didn’t pull out? So since she had sex, her entire life is under your control. You’ve got her now.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 3:43 am to NoisyNinja79
quote:
It's really sad she didn't know what causes pregnancy and had no way to prevent it.
That's not the question being discussed here. The question is how much having a baby vs not having a baby affects the mother.
ETA: Damn you all for making me align with low T boy here
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 3:45 am
Posted on 5/26/19 at 6:22 am to Dale51
quote:
Weak analogy.
How is an unfertilized egg the same as a fetus?
It isn't, just like a fetus isn't a baby.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 6:37 am to bfniii
quote:Repeatedly responding to the same ignorant-arsed question tends to get tiresome. It is almost as if the abortion absolutists do not even listen when you take the time to answer them.
not one pro choice person has responded. go figure. it's a simple question
ONCE AGAIN
The attribute that distinguishes us from other forms of life is our sapience/sentience, not the mere presence of 23 chromosome pairs.. Some would argue that it does not develop until well after birth, but approximately 24-30 weeks is the ABSOLUTE earliest that fetal brain function begins to even ARGUABLY resemble that of a sentient organism (much less a sapient one). As such, the VAST majority of us ARE willing to “err on the side of caution” and cut-off elective abortion at 20 weeks ... or even 16 or perhaps 12 weeks.
This seems a reasonable balance between the self-determination rights of the woman and the potential, developing sentience of the fetus. Balancing those two issues seems superior to just saying “screw the woman’s rights” OR “screw the late term fetus” ... as seems to be the position of the absolutists on each end of the spectrum.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 6:42 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
It isn't, just like a fetus isn't a baby.
Amazing how a four letter word determines the definition of a living thing. Oh yeah, the word - born.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 6:46 am to TheMailman
You use an unfertilized egg to make your abortion love meme?
Brilliant
Brilliant
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 5/26/19 at 6:49 am to BurningHeart
quote:. You are absolutely right never thought of it like that. I have to pay taxes to feed worthless trash that I don’t want to care for. This gives me the right to just kill them, thanks
Except for 100% changing her life by having to carry and give birth to a baby she never wanted.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 6:49 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:What a painfully-ignorant generalization.
Amazing how a four letter word determines the definition of a living thing. Oh yeah, the word - born.
First, VERY few supporters of abortion rights take the pig-ignorant position that a late-term fetus is not “life” of some sort. Second, only a VERY small percentage of abortion rights supporters support elective abortion immediately prior to birth.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 6:51 am to roadGator
quote:When does that egg become fully utilized? When digested?
an underutilized egg
Posted on 5/26/19 at 7:10 am to AggieHank86
quote:
This seems a reasonable balance between the self-determination rights of the woman and the potential, developing sentience of the fetus. Balancing those two issues seems superior to just saying “screw the woman’s rights” OR “screw the late term fetus” ... as seems to be the position of the absolutists on each end of the spectrum.
The most reason you've ever made in a post.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 7:13 am to AggieHank86
quote:
What a painfully-ignorant generalization.
You disagree I see. So a living thing with a heartbeat but yet not born is a fetus. A living thing with a heartbeat after being born is a baby.
The key words here are "with a heartbeat". The word "born" shouldn't be the deciding factor on if a thing with a heartbeat is a fetus or a baby.
I'm sorry you're too intelligent to over analyze this.
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