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re: Question for pro choice advocates
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:45 pm to BBONDS25
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:45 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
pretty sure the baby doesn’t like the procedure either.
The "baby" (i.e. fetus) does not know or care either way.
That's the fallacy with trying to tie murder with abortion.
We as a society have accepted murder to be wrong because it's the ending of an existing life, with existing experiences.
Abortion on the other hand is halting the process of a fetus developing into a baby that would eventually get their own experiences and life.
It isn't pretty and I do think there should be a cutoff somewhere, but it is unreasonable to think a complete abortion ban is wise. This was tried in the past and failed, which is why we got RvW.
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Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:46 pm to BBONDS25
quote:BOOM. someone understands the op.
pretty sure the baby doesn’t like the procedure either.
anyone notice how NONE of the pro choice people have even attempted to address the op? they just showed up with their preconcieved, already refuted assertions
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:46 pm to bfniii
quote:
bfniii
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:48 pm to BurningHeart
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The "baby" (i.e. fetus) does not know or care either way.
In many cases, yes. However your statement as a whole is untrue. You’ve never heard of the “silent scream”?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:49 pm to LSUconvert
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That is not the way science works
says who? the scientific method is quite cautious. check out the idea that lobsters possibly feel pain and the repercussions moreover, this matter is not solely scientific
but kudos for actually attempting to address the op
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:49 pm to bfniii
quote:
BOOM.
The "thoughts" of a zygote or a fetus is your big BOOM?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:link? show me a link where someone refuted that there is no personhood gap between parents and offspring. good luck with that
It's refuted by nearly anyone who is educated and competent. The information is available. You only need to find it and understand it.
quote:it has? when?
My response had more than enough substance for anyone who still thinks a fetus and a baby are no different from one another.
quote:still haven't even ATTEMPTED the op. let me know if you need me to turn the heat down
it's apparent from your replies that I may have included too much substance in my post
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:52 pm to BurningHeart
quote:Extraordinarily well-said. Kudos.quote:The "baby" (i.e. fetus) does not know or care either way.
pretty sure the baby doesn’t like the procedure either.
That's the fallacy with trying to tie murder with abortion.
We as a society have accepted murder to be wrong because it's the ending of an existing life, with existing experiences.
Abortion on the other hand is halting the process of a fetus developing into a baby that would eventually get their own experiences and life.
The early-term fetus involved in the early-term abortions that most of us support HAS no higher brain function. It cannot “feel” anything, and it certainly cannot “care” about anything .... since it is incapable of abstract thought.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:52 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The "thoughts" of a zygote or a fetus is your big BOOM?
When do you think a fetus can feel pain? I honestly don’t know the answer. It’s your chance to finally teach me something.
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:53 pm to bfniii
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:53 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
The early-term fetus involved in the early-term abortions that most of us support HAS no higher brain function. It cannot “feel” anything, and it certainly cannot “care” about anything .... since it is incapable of abstract thought.
When can a fetus begin to feel pain?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:in the op, i asserted an argument in analytical philosophical tradition and that is epistemically sound. you have responded with childish retorts that are basically "nuh unh"
Says the dude who's at the point mentally where he still thinks a fetus and a baby are the same
do you want to dive into some sentential truth tables on the matter?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:54 pm to BBONDS25
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When do you think a fetus can feel pain?
That question on its own is meaningless.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That question on its own is meaningless.
Perhaps. Yet it is still my question. When can a fetus feel pain?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:56 pm to bfniii
Your argument isn't new or compelling, and it's been refuted. If you wanted to find that information, it wouldn't be that difficult.
We both know why you haven't found that information.
We both know why you haven't found that information.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:56 pm to BBONDS25
Don't care.
Ask a better question.
Ask a better question.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:57 pm to bfniii
quote:This really is starting to resemble an attempt to discuss calculus with a chimpanzee.quote:first, not the point of the op. second, you are trying to establish an ad hoc premise from which to operate. third, you are not responding to the fact of personhood.
Please do tell us what attribute YOU feel distinguishes us from other animal species
The premise of the OP was “Why nor err on the side of caution?
I explained IN DETAIL why a cutoff for elective abortions at some point prior to 24-30 weeks IS “erring on the side of caution.”
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:57 pm to BurningHeart
quote:
The "baby" (i.e. fetus) does not know or care either way
how can there even be geniune discovery on this matter when people aren't even rational? you don't even realize that now you have to prove that unborn babies don't feel pain/fear/right to life in order to support your assertion. it's pretty much the reason why we're still eating boiled lobsters quote:geez. another sled test failure
We as a society have accepted murder to be wrong because it's the ending of an existing life, with existing experiences
quote:yet another strawman. we are talking about murder for the sake of convenience. not a medical crisis
it is unreasonable to think a complete abortion ban is wise
yet another failure to address the op
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Don't care. Ask a better question.
Classic buckeye concession. This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:58 pm to AggieHank86
quote:and there is obligatory surrender. "i can't beat you on substance so i'm going to post this juvenile graphic insult"
AggieHank86
thank you for admitting you can't refute the op
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