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re: Former FISC Presiding Judge John Bates discusses the Carter Page FISA applications
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:53 pm to Decatur
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:53 pm to Decatur
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Former FISC Presiding Judge John Bates who was not involved nor heard or read the applications has an opinion about something he is clueless on.
GREAT FIND MAN!
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:56 pm to Decatur
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In November 2013, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declassified and released a circa-July 2010 (date classified) FISC ruling by Judge Bates authorizing the National Security Agency to restart mass collection of internet metadata, including those of U.S. citizens.[13] Bates noted that the NSA had been violating provisions of various laws, but nevertheless decided to allow the government to continue many aspects of the mass surveillance program. Critics of encroaching U.S. security state policies, in a nod to the Bates numbering method used in the legal field, appropriated the "Bates stamp" moniker as a neologism to refer to often uncritical FISC scrutiny of U.S. government conduct when considering Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) applications.[14]
Bates’ Wiki
Color me shocked that the guy known for rubber stamping surveillance warrants doesn’t have any issue with how Pages warrant was obtained.
Not to mention, the list of this guys “notable rulings” reads like a laundry list of the deep state’s wet dreams. He’s also perfectly fine with droning American citizens. Shocking.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:56 pm to Decatur
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will note and note with some force that I have seen nothing that indicates that the Court was mislead,
If he wants to throw his people under the bus and imply they accepted bullshite evidence for the warrant, I won't stop him.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:59 pm to CheniereTiger108
That's Rexcatur's hero you are talking about.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:31 pm to Decatur
And we wonder how this could have happened.
It's HIGHLY LIKELY that the judges were complicit.
It's HIGHLY LIKELY that the judges were complicit.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:35 pm to Decatur
so they were in on it. that's the question i have been asking ever since and now it's been answered
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:39 pm to MMauler
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Even YOU can't be stupid enough to f*cking believe that.
Never underestimate Decatur's stupidity!!
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:43 pm to Decatur
As long as you remain quiet when Trump does it to the Dems, I've got no problems with it.
IRS weaponization, too. Let's bring back the Nixon administration and do it right this time.
IRS weaponization, too. Let's bring back the Nixon administration and do it right this time.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:48 pm to Decatur
What scares me is anyone would defend the actions that went on. If Republicans did this I would want them jailed. This is scary stuff.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:49 pm to Decatur
More Deep State BS. 
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:56 pm to Decatur
It's not interesting at all.
No dossier, no warrant. They submitted the dossier and got the warrant, and they knew it was bullshite. These are facts.
The only thing we can speculate about is whether the court would have approved the warrant had they known the dossier was BS. Clearly the fbi thought they wouldn't since they were less than candid about its origins.
No dossier, no warrant. They submitted the dossier and got the warrant, and they knew it was bullshite. These are facts.
The only thing we can speculate about is whether the court would have approved the warrant had they known the dossier was BS. Clearly the fbi thought they wouldn't since they were less than candid about its origins.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:00 pm to Decatur
Fire ALL of the FISA judges OR eliminate this court.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 11:07 pm to Decatur
He’s sticking up for the FISA judges, does not want to make them look foolish for falling for it.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:58 am to Decatur
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Decatur
So circular sourcing is okay?
Steele leaks Dossier excerpts to Michael Isikoff, who then writes about those details in a Yahoo article, and then the FBI, who we now know knew BEFOREHAND that Steele leaked that info himself to Isikoff, then used this article as a piece of supporting evidence to give credence to the Dossier.
Meaning, they directly used Steele to manufacture “credibility”....... for Steele.
And they knew this when they went to the FISA judge and said, “See, this Dossier is legit. Even Yahoo journalists have found corroborating evidence!”
So this a-hole former judge, and you, are okay with this?
GTFO and GFY
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 4:00 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 4:48 am to Decatur
quote:If that is the case, John Bates just signed FISA's death warrant,
I will note and note with some force that I have seen nothing that indicates that the Court was mislead,
Posted on 5/15/19 at 4:52 am to BeefDawg
Regardless of deep state this or how bad his record was as a Judge sworn to up hold the constitution...you have to give weight to someone with this kind of experience when they state their opinion on something they’re an expert on.
The question becomes, what information does he have about this exact situation?
Does he have more information than us? If so, what does he have? Is he saying he has access to classified information many people in our govt don’t even have access to?
Assuming he doesn’t and he has the same information we do, he could make this statement all day and be correct because we don’t have the information to say one way or the other with certainty that the FISA warrant was illegally obtained. Sure, there’s smoke and rumors and sources but at the end of the day “you haven’t see evidence” and the technicality of his statement is true. This screams cherry picked and out of context.
That being said, I love how we’ve gone from “Trumps wires weren’t tapped” to “it wasn’t technically spying” to “it wasn’t illegal please don’t put us in jail”.
The question becomes, what information does he have about this exact situation?
Does he have more information than us? If so, what does he have? Is he saying he has access to classified information many people in our govt don’t even have access to?
Assuming he doesn’t and he has the same information we do, he could make this statement all day and be correct because we don’t have the information to say one way or the other with certainty that the FISA warrant was illegally obtained. Sure, there’s smoke and rumors and sources but at the end of the day “you haven’t see evidence” and the technicality of his statement is true. This screams cherry picked and out of context.
That being said, I love how we’ve gone from “Trumps wires weren’t tapped” to “it wasn’t technically spying” to “it wasn’t illegal please don’t put us in jail”.
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 4:57 am
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:23 am to Decatur
Well, Mr Bates is from DC so there is a 96% chance he is a Trump hating lib. That is a statistical fact.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:43 am to Decatur
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Features several POVs.
Link one the would support a view that does not support your agenda.
Several POVs my arse. Lawfare is agitprop.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:46 am to Decatur
Sorry bud. The investigation isn’t going to end well for you. I tried to warn you. Yet here you are. Like JT and Tigerdoc, I won’t expect an apology. I’ll just happily accept you back on the board. No hard feelings.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:47 am to CheniereTiger108
First thing I did was to do a quick wiki check too, CheniereTiger108.
Kinda says it all when your last name becomes a synonym for uncontrollable FISA spying.
Let’s just color me unimpressed with his assurances.
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the "Bates stamp" moniker as a neologism to refer to often uncritical FISC scrutiny of U.S. government conduct when considering Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) applications.
Kinda says it all when your last name becomes a synonym for uncontrollable FISA spying.
Let’s just color me unimpressed with his assurances.
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