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re: I seriously am in shock reading this board with the negative opinions
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:47 am to BilJ
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:47 am to BilJ
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They had surrendered and the city was taken, then she decided to burn the mother fricker down. Cersei refusing to cave and forcing her to continue the rampage may have been a better route
I'm not saying her decision was perfect, but I'm not upset over it. She probably should have focused on the Red Keep, but now all the kingdoms know the danger of challenging her.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:02 pm to Nonetheless
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Rheagal got sniped 3/3 by one ballista, hundreds can’t even touch Drogon
People need to get over this one, the point was supposed to be that ballista's can kill dragons, 3 hitting Rheagal was for visual effect
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Euron, a genius Jack Sparrow mad man can’t even beat one armed Jamie 1 v 1
Euron has never been hailed as some great swordsmen, plus he just washed up on shore and was probably exhausted and weakened
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The noblemen of the North, the Starks become rapers and pillagers
This person has never studied ancient warfare, conquering armies often go into a mad rage and start raping and pillaging if they aren't controlled
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The Dothraki literally all died out in the pitch black except for 20 stragglers in episode 3, yet they have a couple thousand back on the front line
Again this is for visuals, still I agree that was strange.
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Cleganebowl had to end that way, just disappointed in the execution on a fricking stairwell
Cleganebowl was awesome
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Jamie’s redemption arc went out the fricking window when he sees Cersei, would’ve been great if he stuck a knife in her belly
Eh, it was Jamie accepting his fate, he tied himself to Cersei for good or bad
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Jon is literally worthless this entire season, the main character of the entire show and books has become a side character
Did we not see him leading the entire fricking army into the city?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:22 pm to wildtigercat93
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I want the character arcs to make narrative sense. Not for everything that’s transpired for 7 seasons to be thrown in the trash at the last second
I mean just because Jamie went back to Cersei doesnt mean he’s a terrible person and negate his prior growth. in fact when he talked about it he seems to have a kind of survivors guilt about bran etc thinking that there is no redemption. Good people for whatever reason fall in love with pieces of crap all the time and keep going back to them over and over and over typically rationalizing the persons behavior or by having real or false guilt and that they don’t deserve anyone better. Cersei is his Delilah
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:25 pm to Nonetheless
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The noblemen of the North, the Starks become rapers and pillagers
No stark raped or pillaged. Plenty of Northman did. You know who also were Northmenm? Roose and Ramsey Bolton
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:31 pm to Dead End
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but now all the kingdoms know the danger of challenging her.
the dragon wasn't enough?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:42 pm to Adam Banks
quote:anyone who contests this can't separate story from production, etc.
That was an all timer episode of TV
You don't have to like the way it plays out, but let's be clear on this point: this was filmed and displayed in a more epic manner than, say, LOTR. I'd venture to say at least the equal to Saving Private Ryan. More detailed practical visuals than any Avengers or MCU movie.
We're talking about an episode on TV (forget that it's a premium channel), and it matches or surpasses epic blockbuster movies known for their excesses. Go watch those links on the 'making of', the amount of work that went into this to make it real is unbelievable.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:43 pm to boston vol
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Why are you shocked? It’s the worst reviewed episode in the history of the show. Currently at 52% on RT.
Rotten Tomatos is a retarded metric to determine if a show/movie is good, or even well reviewed.
If 100 critics say “eh, that's was okay I guess" the show has 100% on RT. If 50 critics say "wow that was awesome!" and 50 more say "nah that was crap" the show gets a 50%.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:43 pm to Yak
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We got 7 beautiful seasons of him slowly realizing that Cercei isn’t what he thought and that there is more out there and gets to redeem for his past
*nuts in another chick*
Nah dog that Cercei pussy is too good I’m going back!!
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He always kept going back to her. Always. He tried being a good guy for a cup of coffee...but he's always said he wanted to die in the arms of his woman, and in the end, he did
Redemption happened, just not in the way you wanted
Best response yet for Jaime’s love for his sister - the love of his life, the mother of his now-dead children, and the carrier of his child.
He said what he was before leaving Winterfell, before jumping on his horse. He spilled it all out. He tried but knows that he is no more than a lost soul and will never be more.
Everyone wanted the redemptive story, but his love for her - his weakness - is too great. Actually I think this story arc is the most accurate character arc this season.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:44 pm to Scoob
oh the visuals and scope were amazing for TV
the writing, story, characters, etc were the bad parts
the thing is, this isn't a show built on amazing visual spectacles and big battles. it's built on writing, story, characters, etc
the writing, story, characters, etc were the bad parts
the thing is, this isn't a show built on amazing visual spectacles and big battles. it's built on writing, story, characters, etc
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the dragon wasn't enough?
Obviously they fear the dragon, but now they know she will use it on anyone who challenges her. Not just the leaders or the solders, but every single person.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:07 pm to Norbert
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He has literally done nothing to deserve the treatment he gets as a strategic genius. He's been wrong consistently,
Robert E Lee is considered a strategic genius and he fricked up quite a bit too... Nobody is right 100% of the time.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Oh, it's perfectly acceptable to say "I don't like the way they took this story". That's legit, from many angles, whether it be that you don't get the subtle character interactions you wanted, or whether you rooted for Dany as champion of the downtrodden for 7 seasons, and now she's a terrible monster.
oh the visuals and scope were amazing for TV
the writing, story, characters, etc were the bad parts
the thing is, this isn't a show built on amazing visual spectacles and big battles. it's built on writing, story, characters, etc
But story aside, the effort dumped into this episode is amazing. Someone commented "it's like a Michael Bay movie"; but bullshite. Bay hasn't gone THIS BIG in detailed utter destruction, and he's made feature films with probably 90% of the budget devoted to that.
And I might point out, most of the writing, story, characters, etc- they've been moving in a direction from the get-go. If nothing happens and all you get is dialogue, then it's basically a witty Brit tv show. There aren't future seasons, this is a story that is coming to an end, and the characters need resolution.
Dany has been coming for the Iron Throne.
Jon has been the reluctant hero.
Cersei has been rolling towards disaster, wilfully blind to the probable final outcome. Jaime has been both noble and also hopelessly devoted to his sister.
The North has despised the South, to the point that they would not accept a Southern ruler, even if they needed said ruler to help defend against a zombie apocalypse. If you spit on them before that battle, then of course you're likely not going to be particularly gentle when you storm into their castle in battle. Hell, Sansa might say what Dany did was wrong, but a lot of the Northern leaders might decide "well, she let us slaughter those frickers, she might not be so bad afterall", because that's what most wanted.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:17 pm to udtiger
If you read the recent GRRM book that came out, her ancestors used the sun to disguise an attack. The use of the dragon followed that book pretty closely,
Which makes me wonder if he didn’t put out the book before Season 8 for a reason as it gave some clues.
Which makes me wonder if he didn’t put out the book before Season 8 for a reason as it gave some clues.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 2:52 pm to Scoob
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Sansa might say what Dany did was wrong, but a lot of the Northern leaders might decide "well, she let us slaughter those frickers, she might not be so bad afterall", because that's what most wanted.
I didn't even think about that. Good point.
I still hate Sansa.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 3:41 pm to Adam Banks
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That was an all timer episode of TV
For what reasons?
..the question will be the legacy. We should have gotten at least 4 more hours this season and 3 last.
It was in the budget.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 2:48 am to SEClint
quote:If for no other reason, the fact that it was a mammoth production that surpassed most contemporary feature films in terms of visual presentation and effects.quote:
That was an all timer episode of TV
For what reasons?
Go watch the "making of" link. There's very little CGI in this. Basically, the actual dragon, the wide angle shot of King's Landing from above, and maybe the Iron Fleet at sea. And I guess the arrows maybe.
They built the main street and a lot of alleyways as a complete set, preemptively damaged and then completed it in full repair, so that they could keep filming it in various states of destruction.
Dragonfire? They filmed a high pressure flamethrower that they moved around, from 8 different cameras, to get all sorts of different dragon bursts, and they layered it into the final images. They also filmed a lot of explosives and integrated that with the fire footage. They built half-scale models of the front gate and blew it up. They used real stuntmen on fire, falling off walls or rolling on the ground, not CGI animation.
They fricking hired amputees and put prosthetics over their stumps with fake blood, so that you really do film some people without arms and legs crawling away from the carnage, instead of altering it digitally afterwards.
Somebody commented something to the effect of 'yeah, if you like big explosions and all, but the story sucks'. But this isn't a Michael Bay movie, or a Peter Jackson movie, or a Marvel Avengers movie. It's episode 5 of a TV series, in a season where we've already had one big budget battle already. Not that long ago, the producers joked about not having the resources to do an undead bear, and now we get both this and the battle of Winterfell in the same season.
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