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re: Rewatching 2011 season. Dinosaurian Offense
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:16 pm to The First Cut
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:16 pm to The First Cut
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Three of the potential first rounders are DBs.
Pretty terrible mock draft to be honest. Sounds like he is relying too heavily on high school rankings. Jacob Eason in the first round?
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:37 pm to Powerman
The 2011 offense was overpowering teams until Bama... With Lee at QB... He was passing the ball pretty good...........remember the FLA game?? and we beat the crap ut of AU with Lee at QB... Miles pulled the trigger to fast on lee... YES we did end up going undefeated until 1/9/12, BUT NOT starting Lee the rest of the year hurt this team.........
Posted on 5/12/19 at 4:39 pm to dgnx6
quote:OP don't 'mmeber how those road graders managed +200ypg rushing, +3000yd air game, and with 14 less sacks than 2018's 35.
We literally didn't.
And nb4 "but juice and obj", who don't really matter if you can't get rid of the ball.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:17 pm to Mayhawman
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Actually they support themselves, at least '07, '13, '11, and '06 do, if you bother to look at the record book (Team Records/Offense/TDs Rushing and Passing).
I’ve looked at the record book, YPG, and YPP. There were mediocre years and poor years under Miles.
I fully expect that 2019’s offense will be one of the best in many years. LSU finally has some talent on offense. Last year’s starting offense featured all of three upperclassmen from Miles’ 15 and 16 recruiting classes:
Moreau
Brossette
Cushenberry (RS sophomore)
That’s it.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:38 pm to The First Cut
Pernts baw, pernts!!!!
Yards score with agendas, not final scores.
Yards score with agendas, not final scores.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:40 pm to Mayhawman
Miles’ teams weren’t scoring machines by any stretch. I liked his identity, but there came a time when it was well past due to make changes. That and his last couple of offensive classes had a lot of misses, you saw that come to light this past season.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:47 pm to The First Cut
Development is lost.
E did well with Cam's players, but couldn't develop those Miles recruits to step in and it went to shite. Maybe he, make that his staff, can develop his own recruits.
We'll see, and I hope it all works.
E did well with Cam's players, but couldn't develop those Miles recruits to step in and it went to shite. Maybe he, make that his staff, can develop his own recruits.
We'll see, and I hope it all works.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:50 pm to Mayhawman
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E did well with Cam's players, but couldn't develop those Miles recruits to step in and it went to shite.
Would you agree the same thing happ in 2008 when Sabans and Jimbos recruits and players started leaving? ?
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 8:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
They just couldn’t stop the run. No need for us to pass it. But that same philosophy didn’t work against Bama a month later.
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 8:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Except Miles wildly exceeded Saban's constancy.
Would you agree the same thing happ in 2008 when Sabans and Jimbos recruits and players started leaving? ?
Being fair-minded it's a possible replication of events, but unlike Ed's inheritance, 2005 recruiting class was very thin. like 13 commits iirc, and the class timing coincides with the downturn in wins.
Hopefully whatever the cause, O can turn things back into champ mode like Miles circa '10 and '11.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 8:45 pm to Mayhawman
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Except Miles wildly exceeded Saban's constancy.
C'mon man. Saban won the ship then got the hell out of dodge a year later.
I mean, according to you that was Jimbos and Bama talent. We went 8-5 in year 3
The success in 2011 was all Miles.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 8:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Are you rofl at facts?
I don't know if I've ever seen anyone one as in love with a guy as you are Les.
Surely I don't have to produce W-L records?
quote:Actually they won the NC in year 3, and the half a class was evident depth wise then, and worse in '08. (admittedly with asst coaching and Frosh QB problems also)
I mean, according to you u that was Jimbos and Bama talent. We went 8-5 in year 3
Posted on 5/12/19 at 8:58 pm to Mayhawman
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Actually they won the NC in year 3,
Gotcha, my bad
2011 was Miles best year by far. Had we not played Bama again I'm sure we would have beaten Okie St
Posted on 5/12/19 at 8:58 pm to saint tiger225
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Who cares how the offense looked? They played for a NC. Give me that any day over some fancy offense that can't score against Bama.
Also, besides being stupid, this OP is very shortsighted. That offense complemented that defense perfectly and vica versa. It kept that defense well rested and allowed those players to be the playmakers they were.
Some of you have no clue what you're talking about, you just want things to look good, but don't care if we lose in the process. Half of you would willfully support O continuing with 3 or 4 losses every year as long as we passed the ball more. It would give you some kind of success to point to in the case of losing games.
While I hated the O hire, I fully support him as lsu's coach. That said, I don't give a frick how we win games, as long as we win. Whether it's with great defense and a strong run game or a decent defense and a great offense, just win and the fan base will be happy.
I remember Les putting in a horrible gameplan for the NCG. If he had just run that boring, awful, antiquated offense, LSU may have been in a much better position to win again.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:21 pm to LSU615
Most coaches would've run what got them there, especially with the QBs available. Even Mett with another camp was avg at best until mid '12. Disagree?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:07 am to Mayhawman
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Development is lost. E did well with Cam's players, but couldn't develop those Miles recruits to step in and it went to shite. Maybe he, make that his staff, can develop his own recruits. We'll see, and I hope it all works.
So the staff can develop freshmen and sophomores, but can’t develop offensive talent that Miles brought in (never mind that several 2015 and 2016 offensive recruits left LSU never to play for a P5 program)? Interesting, I had never considered that was the problem.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 8:23 am to iamandykeim
That "dinosaurian offense" wins a NC if Oklahoma State just makes that kick against Iowa State.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:24 am to saint tiger225
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Who cares how the offense looked? They played for a NC. Give me that any day over some fancy offense that can't score against Bama.
It matters because Bama and other top teams can't be beaten any more with that offense. Bama's D-line is too big and our O-line hasn't been big enough to be successful with running it up the middle. We had one of the best running backs in college football ever at LSU, hell maybe ever at any college, and he couldn't produce against bama with that offense.
Les was successful because he was a great recruiter, played a conservative game, and relied on very talented players to get the win. It worked most of the time, but won't get a team to the CFP today and produces at best a 3 loss team, with 2011 being the exception since that team had an insane amount of talent outside of the QBs.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 10:25 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 10:37 am to Mayhawman
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Even Mett with another camp was avg at best until mid '12. Disagree?
Terrible development in 2011. With all the blowouts we had and Mett being the guy in 2012 it is still unbelievable he didn't get meaningful snaps in games.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:08 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:I agree to a point, but even the starters got limited reps due to success of the ground game.
With all the blowouts we had and Mett being the guy in 2012 it is still unbelievable he didn't get meaningful snaps in games.
Spotty mop up wouldn't have gotten him to midseason 2012 form which was derived from constant work with the #1s in camp and 1st half of '12.
Not saying it's useless, but game experience is kind of overblown as many QBs come in as Frosh, plus many more JRs / SRs ride pine and do well when called upon.
Check Flynn Peach, RP SECCG (mostly option reps under center) and many others.
LSU QBs face a more formidable D in practice than most opponents offer, especially mop up duty handoffs.
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