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re: 'Watchmen' Teaser Trailer #1 - HBO
Posted on 5/8/19 at 3:54 pm to craigbiggio
Posted on 5/8/19 at 3:54 pm to craigbiggio
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Co-creator Gibbons
Dave Gibbons is a good sport about most of this stuff. I don't think he'd trash it unless it really crapped on his vision.
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Posted on 5/8/19 at 3:56 pm to Fewer Kilometers
And on the other end, Alan Moore.
I think he made a Titus Andronicus reference with regards to League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, both due to the movie being a shite show and him being party to a lawsuit over the script which had nothing to do with his original work.
I think he made a Titus Andronicus reference with regards to League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, both due to the movie being a shite show and him being party to a lawsuit over the script which had nothing to do with his original work.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:03 pm to McCaigBro69
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I am probably in the minority, but I love the movie.
No hell no it’s one of my all-time top ten greatest post 1960 movies ever made. I mean the movie has no flaws that I can see.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:23 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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There's your answer.
But there was no way they could include the build up to the engineered creature in the film. Couldn't include the disappearances of scientists and whatnot. Couldn't include the in story pirate comic about the captain that goes mad or whatever.
Far easier to present a superpowered person and an incredibly intelligent man that learned to mimic his powers with technology in order to bring people together than engineer some alien threat.
Dr Manhattan would not bring people together. They knew there was no way to defeat him, he existed beyond space, matter, and time. If he wanted us dead, he could blink us out of existence.
They didn't need to include the cosmic and psychic shite, they could have just had the alien "crash land" in New York after scattering debris across the atmosphere that would wreck shite worldwide.
Regardless, I paid money to see this motherfricker in all his beauty on a giant screen and still feel cheated.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:34 pm to Muthsera
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Dr Manhattan would not bring people together. They knew there was no way to defeat him, he existed beyond space, matter, and time. If he wanted us dead, he could blink us out of existence. They didn't need to include the cosmic and psychic shite, they could have just had the alien "crash land" in New York after scattering debris across the atmosphere that would wreck shite worldwide. Regardless, I paid money to see this motherfricker in all his beauty on a giant screen and still feel cheated.
Exactly. Dr. Manhattan was a war tool of the US Govt. Why would him killing millions of Americans bring world peace?
It wouldn't.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 4:39 pm to McCaigBro69
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I am probably in the minority, but I love the movie.
Same, they did a great job of translating the comic to the big screen. I get why they changed the ending too, so it didn’t bother me.
This movie is a major reason I was so disappointed in Snyder’s work in the DCEU
Posted on 5/8/19 at 8:14 pm to McCaigBro69
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am probably in the minority, but I love the movie.
You're not the minority. I think it's gotten more popular as the years pass.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 8:28 pm to RLDSC FAN
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executive producer Damon Lindelof
NO fricking thanks.quote:What new ground is this breaking? Does it have anything to do with the fact that I've never heard of most of these actors?
while attempting to break new ground of its own.
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Louis Gossett Jr.
The movie was incredible, btw. Fanboy religious fanatics can suck it.
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:36 pm to teke184
quote:yeah, you’re not wrong. Those movies were much better received than his later stuff. Although I don’t know how well 300 holds up today. I tried to watch it last year and didn’t feel like it held up well.
How much of a split is there on 300 or Dawn Of The Dead?
But Dawn of the Dead was a great film. And is well accepted across the board. And I would love to see more Snyder horror movies.
I loved Watchman personally. And I think Dr Manhattan is the Superman Zack Snyder wanted all along
I think he did Rorschach justice also. I think he nailed that character. He probably relates to him more than any other superhero. The Comedian was well done as well.This post was edited on 5/8/19 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 5/8/19 at 10:37 pm to teke184
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How much of a split is there on 300 or Dawn Of The Dead?
Considering 300 is a joke piece of trash, hopefully none.
I don't think I've ever seen a Lindelof show. Aren't Lost and The Leftovers pretty beloved shows? What worries people about him?
Posted on 5/9/19 at 2:54 am to Muthsera
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Dr Manhattan would not bring people together. They knew there was no way to defeat him...
I think you're wrong about this. Did the Soviets just roll over and play dead after we developed the atom bomb? No, they immediately started working out how to do it themselves. It's a part of human nature as a whole to keep pushing limits and keep trying no matter the odds.
What would happen is that every country with the resources would immediately start irradiating hapless patriots in an attempt to create more supermen who would be easier to control. And if no one could do it on their own then all sorts of countries would start pairing up and working together to make it happen. If you had told someone in the 50's that American astronauts would one day be riding Russian rockets into space they'd have thought you were insane but here we are.
Granted I saw the movie before I read the comics but I still think the movie ending works just as well.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:48 am to Muthsera
Me too. The problem is that with DNA testing that wasn't available in 1986- they could easily have determined that the creature was a hoax- bringing the whole concept crashing down.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 8:55 am to schatman
The whole point of the plot is the world needs to be unified to stop a beatable foe. This is why the squid dies. Proof that it can die but also proof it can cause mass destruction.
Manhattan is God. He can't be stopped. There is no hope. In reality, death cults would start up the day after his attack. Suicides would spiral out of control and world leaders already on the edge of destruction would say frick it we are already doomed.
Changing from the squid to Manhattan was a terrible change that wouldn't have the same result.
Manhattan is God. He can't be stopped. There is no hope. In reality, death cults would start up the day after his attack. Suicides would spiral out of control and world leaders already on the edge of destruction would say frick it we are already doomed.
Changing from the squid to Manhattan was a terrible change that wouldn't have the same result.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:17 am to Pocket Kingz
The comic was written as a year-long series. We built up to Ozymandias' big reveal for eleven issues over eleven months. The film didn't have that luxury.
The squid would've meant an additional subplot for the film. Ozymandias gathering scientists, artists, the brain of a dead psychic, all to create the fake alien. You'd also have to come up with an image that is believable as a terror-inducing alien that would instantly frighten the world into peace.
With Manhattan as the threat you don't have to waste time on the alien subplot. Your "threat" is explained as you get Osterman's origin.
Keep in mind that the movie arrived 12 years after the comic and after previously obscure TV series and films were seen by an expanding home video audience. The Outer Limits episode that mirrors Ozymandias' original alien plot, Arthur C. Clarke's 2010 which had an actual alien encounter causing the superpowers to put down their arms... Hell, months after Moore and Gibbons wrapped up Watchmen, Ronald Reagan gave his famous speech at the UN where he speculated that it might take an alien threat from outside of our world to cause the nations to unite.
I don't blame Snyder for jettisoning the Black Freighter and the squid subplots. He had to cut too many corners as it was (as you can see by how awesome the director's cut is).
The squid would've meant an additional subplot for the film. Ozymandias gathering scientists, artists, the brain of a dead psychic, all to create the fake alien. You'd also have to come up with an image that is believable as a terror-inducing alien that would instantly frighten the world into peace.
With Manhattan as the threat you don't have to waste time on the alien subplot. Your "threat" is explained as you get Osterman's origin.
Keep in mind that the movie arrived 12 years after the comic and after previously obscure TV series and films were seen by an expanding home video audience. The Outer Limits episode that mirrors Ozymandias' original alien plot, Arthur C. Clarke's 2010 which had an actual alien encounter causing the superpowers to put down their arms... Hell, months after Moore and Gibbons wrapped up Watchmen, Ronald Reagan gave his famous speech at the UN where he speculated that it might take an alien threat from outside of our world to cause the nations to unite.
I don't blame Snyder for jettisoning the Black Freighter and the squid subplots. He had to cut too many corners as it was (as you can see by how awesome the director's cut is).
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:19 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I am probably in the minority, but I love the movie.
There's a lot of us.
Movie is great.
And I love the graphic novel as well.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:23 am to TigerMyth36
quote:Ozymandias stopped him. He won.
Manhattan is God. He can't be stopped.
It wasn't the physical trap that destroyed Manhattan, it was the mental game of chess that put him in the position where he had to allow Adrian's victory to stand. To the point where he killed Rorschach to further Adrian's intended ending.
Rorschach's journal making it to the New Frontiersman and possibly being published... that's Rorschach's victory, not Manhattan's.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:45 am to Merck
quote:Actually, American communist traitors/spies stole the tech and gave it to them.
Did the Soviets just roll over and play dead after we developed the atom bomb? No, they immediately started working out how to do it themselves. It's a part of human nature as a whole to keep pushing limits and keep trying no matter the odds.
Kudos for their space program, though it didn't stand the test of time.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:27 am to blueboy
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Actually, American communist traitors/spies stole the tech and gave it to them.
Does that change my point?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 12:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
I thought trailer was pretty good
If they do it right, it could be a really good series. Watchmen and even Jonah Hex would be great under some of the guys who did series on HBO.
I know jonah hex had a movie, but it could be a great series.
If they do it right, it could be a really good series. Watchmen and even Jonah Hex would be great under some of the guys who did series on HBO.
I know jonah hex had a movie, but it could be a great series.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 12:59 pm to Jay Are
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I don't think I've ever seen a Lindelof show. Aren't Lost and The Leftovers pretty beloved shows? What worries people about him?
I believe I am in a minority, but I love his stuff. I was a huge fan of LOST and never had an issue with it and the Leftovers was excellent. Lots of folks were very disappointed with these shows after strong starts. He also co-wrote Star Trek Into Darkness and Prometheus and these movies have lots of haters. I liked them.
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