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re: Check out this absurd press release from an Australian politician re mosque shootings
Posted on 3/15/19 at 3:08 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 3/15/19 at 3:08 pm to Mo Jeaux
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That's wonderful. By the fourth crusade, they were sacking Constantinople, who were, yup, you guessed it, fellow Christians.
Honestly, the whole Islam is, Islam isn't, Christianity is Christianity isn't, discussion is tiresome.
He also doesn't mention that the reason for the Crusades was that the frontier that had stabilized between the Arabs and Byzantines had been thrown into disarray by the entrance of the Turks, who threw the whole balance of power of the region into disarray. So much so that we don't have very many Muslim sources of the First Crusade, as the Muslim empires were either unprepared or fighting among themselves.
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Posted on 3/15/19 at 3:09 pm to Ebbandflow
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The Qur'an has God as the first person perspective. Their 5 pillars dont include anything abhorrent. Youre sticking to thus danger narrative a little too hard
Have you rad the Koran? I did. The original has at least 30 justifications for killing innocent people. In the 1960s it was edited to leave out many of them for the benefit of the infidels who were to be killed.
It's not a bad piece of literature. I especially appreciated the admonition against travelers who meet strangers that they outnumber and could kill. Allah does not approve.
The whole text is micromanagement gone wild. The Old Testament has 10 commandments. The Koran has 1,000 rules right down to which cousin you can marry after her husband dies.
It also borrows a lot of philosophy from the New Testament. It was written after the Bible and holds Jesus as a 'great teacher' rather than son of God.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 3:22 pm to ShortyRob
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Actually, he seems to say the cause is the immigration policy.........hence, see my post above yours
Wasn't he Australian? How does Australian immigration policy affect New Zealand? Or is it that New Zealand immigration affects Australian?
Either way, the guy is a kook and no one should read too deep into what he says.
Regardless this is wholly inappropriate. First the timing. There will be time for recriminations later. Let's focus on the families affected.
And I have serious issues with politicizing tragic disasters like this. Screw him.
And to be clear, screw AOC and all the anti-gun, anti-trump people using this as well.
Dead families are not your political props.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 3:27 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Christianity hasn't spread by the sword. To be sure, it's been a factor in many wars, but none were wars of Christian expansion. The Crussades, most of which were just excuses for younger sons of lords to make their way and gain fortunes, were still a response to muslim invasions.
I'm sure that provided great comfort to those who were subject to the spread of Christianity by the sword.
Islam spread almost exclusively by the sword. If you want to have this conversation, I'll be here all afternoon.
quote:Islamic invasions of Europe began in the 7th century. They have continued in one form or other since then. Even during and after the "Crusades," muslims were still advancing into Europe. Go look up why Vlad the Impaler was impaling people, and who he was impaling, and you'll get a good look at post-Crusade muslim aggression.
That's wonderful. By the fourth crusade, they were sacking Constantinople, who were, yup, you guessed it, fellow Christians.
Don't get me wrong, both are Abrahamic faiths that never should have been allowed to exist, but Islam was born in and has existed in a constant state of violence since it was dreamed up by a fricking madman.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 3:55 pm to Ebbandflow
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There's plenty of peaceful Doctrine in the Muslim religion so if you're going to be forgiving of the Old Testament for Christians then you should apply that equally.
What in the hell are you talking about? The Old Testament contains the Canon of the Jewish religion. Christianity is a whole different deal from Judaism, a separate religion.
MAGA
Posted on 3/15/19 at 4:01 pm to Zach
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The Old Testament has 10 commandments. The Koran has 1,000 rules right down to which cousin you can marry after her husband dies.
Seems like you missed the other half of the old testament
Posted on 3/15/19 at 4:05 pm to ShortyRob
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More to the point, if you use violence to spread Christianity, good luck finding ANY quotes from Jesus supporting it.
Islam? Yeah. That aint gonna be hard
In 2019 the right wingers on the poliboard would be calling jesus a cuck soyboy
not relevant or important but hilarious imo
Posted on 3/15/19 at 4:16 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Yeah, Christianity was never spread by the sword.
Not in the past 500 years. If you need to reach that far back to compare Islam to Christianity, then you’ve already defeated yourself and proven the contemporary versions are not the same.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 4:18 pm to blueboy
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Christianity hasn't spread by the sword.
Oh good lord.
You can't be serious. Posted on 3/15/19 at 4:20 pm to ShortyRob
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More to the point, if you use violence to spread Christianity, good luck finding ANY quotes from Jesus supporting it.
Islam? Yeah. That aint gonna be hard
Meh, but then you're getting into the senseless argument that I mentioned.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 4:23 pm to blueboy
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Islam spread almost exclusively by the sword. If you want to have this conversation, I'll be here all afternoon.
What conversation? Islam also spread a fair amount through trade. Again, these arguments are pointless. I'm not religious, so if it makes you feel better about yourself to argue some sort of inherent superiority of Christianity vis-a-vis Islam, have at it. It's a "number of angels on the head of a pin" endeavor to me.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 4:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Just because the truth hurts doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be said.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 4:53 pm to PickupAutist
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Not in the past 500 years
This is just not true. Colonization, especially by the Spanish, used explicitly Christian rhetoric, and indeed, mandated that natives be converted to Christianity. Those missions continued until the 19th century. Similar missions and justifications were used in Africa, It's like people forget about this time period in history, or don't know how explicit the Spanish about their aims.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 5:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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This is just not true. Colonization, especially by the Spanish, used explicitly Christian rhetoric, and indeed, mandated that natives be converted to Christianity. Those missions continued until the 19th century. Similar missions and justifications were used in Africa, It's like people forget about this time period in history, or don't know how explicit the Spanish about their aims.
Well, 200 hundred years. And I somewhat can’t blame them because if I came upon a civilization that was regularly conducting ritual human sacrifice or practicing cannabilism, I would’ve said they need to be utterly eliminated.
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 3/15/19 at 5:05 pm to jnethe1
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Just because the truth hurts doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be said.
That is absolutely false.
When you hear a coworker just died, you don't declare, "well, that sucks, but that frees up a parking space!"
And certainly one shouldn't bad mouth him and his family within earshot of the grieving widow. It's basic fricking decency.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:25 pm to BigJim
Lol, are you being purposefully dumb?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:38 pm to MF Doom
You are an ignorant bigot.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 6:43 pm to oogabooga68
But you’re generalizing. What is the percentage of radicalized Muslims? You’re saying that all Muslims are acting malevolently? They’re all moving here strictly to drive out the white devil? Sure there are some, but there are also radicalized persons of nearly every faith/race/creed/etc. Why do they get a pass?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:34 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:I'm completely serious. Its followers have spread through migration and in many cases, the conversions of countries, regions and entire empires, such as with Constantine.
Christianity hasn't spread by the sword.
Oh good lord. You can't be serious
People who are Christians have fought people of many other cultures, but forced conversions have never been a tool of religious conquest, if you want to call it that. Such conversioon taking place during the Inquisition, for example, were a purge of land that was already overwhelmingly Christian.
Christianity spreading throughout the new world was a combination of colonization, which would have produced conflict regardless of religion, and disease, as much of the Native populations died from exotic European viruses.
"Manifest Destiny" is about the closest you'll come to Christian-themed conquest, but it was really just more of a slogan ploy by government and business, meant to encourage colonial settlements further West. In any case, forced conversions were never a matter of policy, officially or unofficially.
Islam, on the other hand, swept through Africa - specifically by the sword. It swept Spain and Italy and Greece and Turkey, by the sword, wielded by people whose doctrine commands them to do so. It has existed in this state for the last 13 1/2 centuries. The central figure of the religion could not be more opposite Jesus. Muhammed encouraged violence, forced conversions, religious conquest. There is really no comparison.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 7:45 pm to blueboy
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Christianity spreading throughout the new world
It was the explicit intent of the Spanish crown to convert peoples they encountered, by force if necessary, which they often did. The Pueblo and Teupehan revolts are majors examples of indigenous people revolting against Spanish missions and missionaries. The literature itself has numerous examples of violence associated with Christian missions. Disease did play a part, but violence was a major factor.
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