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re: Episode IX is the lame duck in Disney's Star Wars saga (Forbes)
Posted on 2/6/19 at 2:19 pm to kingbob
Posted on 2/6/19 at 2:19 pm to kingbob
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They had a perfect opportunity to kill off Leah and instead did an audience fake out that made no sense. THEN, the actress DIED!!! That moment when Kylo Ren hesitates, can't take the kill shot because he knows it would mean killing his mother, but then someone else does, and she dies anyway would have been an excellent storyline to drive his conflicted dark side anti-hero arc.
Instead, we got Mary Poppins in space. F&%k Rion Johnson.
I can't for the life of me understand how anyone thought that scene was a good idea while making, cutting and screening it.
Really? Not one editor or Disney exec had the stones to say "yeah, this scene is just absurd and no one is going to like it."
I have a buddy who's a Star Wars nut who was an ardent defender of TLJ when it came out (he's since backed off that stance), but even he thought the Leia spacewalk scene was stupid.
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 2:24 pm to Feral
>Posted on 2/6/19 at 2:33 pm to molsusports
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But RJ didn't have any intention of making a good movie.
Red Letter Media has a 30 second video that pretty much sums up everything you need to know about Rian Johnson and how clever he thought he was being with Star Wars.
The Wine Tasting - A Film by Rian Johnson
Posted on 2/6/19 at 2:52 pm to tiggerthetooth
I mean, I'm not one to defend the ST, but Anakin bringing balance to the force by "destroying the Sith" only makes sense if the stories set in that universe ended there. They didn't, hence the 40 years of dark side related canon.
At least the new canon thus far has no Sith. Granted, they replaced "Sith" with "Generic Darkside User," but the old EU had tons of Sith Lords that existed after RotJ.
Also, if you really want to get into it, the pre-cursor of the Jedi order practiced balance between the light and the dark, so this is not a new concept.
At least the new canon thus far has no Sith. Granted, they replaced "Sith" with "Generic Darkside User," but the old EU had tons of Sith Lords that existed after RotJ.
Also, if you really want to get into it, the pre-cursor of the Jedi order practiced balance between the light and the dark, so this is not a new concept.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:10 pm to kingbob
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The Last Jedi was set up with so many opportunities to become an awesome movie, possibly the best movie at all, but instead chose to make the worst possible decision at each juncture in the name of "subverting expectations". "Subverting expectations" only makes sense if doing so still falls within the logic of the story and the characters that inhabit it. If it doesn't, then it feels forced, contrived, unoriginal, and like bad story-telling.
Yeah, Blade Runner 2049 and Infinite War are movies that properly subvert expectations and throw twists in the story to where you don’t know where it’s going next. But I always knew where things stand and am excited where they can take the sequel.
I had no idea what was going on ever in The Last Jedi. I mean really from the opening dialogue I was confused:
“The FIRST ORDER reigns.”
Ummmm, how? They just had their big military base destroyed, they weren’t running the galaxy at the end of TFA, and this takes off 5 seconds after that movie Lord of the Rings style. But they just keep up with the nonsense. Like taking out one ship for their entire bombing fleet and telling your momma jokes. And then Luke throws the lightsaber over his shoulder, which may be the worst moment in cinematic history.
This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:14 pm to BulldogXero
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I mean, I'm not one to defend the ST, but Anakin bringing balance to the force by "destroying the Sith" only makes sense if the stories set in that universe ended there. They didn't, hence the 40 years of dark side related canon.
At least the new canon thus far has no Sith. Granted, they replaced "Sith" with "Generic Darkside User," but the old EU had tons of Sith Lords that existed after RotJ.
Also, if you really want to get into it, the pre-cursor of the Jedi order practiced balance between the light and the dark, so this is not a new concept.
Did George Lucas acknowledge any of the EU as canon?
Anakin was "the chosen one". It was very clear.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:16 pm to OMLandshark
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And then Luke throws the lightsaber over his shoulder, which may be the worst moment in cinematic history.
Dude, it's a laser sword...
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:17 pm to HuskyPanda
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Question is though, will I have to watch it to get background information for Episode IX, or is Abrams just making a different movie?
Johnson left Abrams literally nothing to work with. It makes no sense and it seems as if the Resistance and the First Order wiped each other out by the end of it. It’s like if the Nazis and Soviets basically wiped each other out at Stalingrad and for a third party not to come in. It makes no sense on Earth, nevertheless in a universe with trillions of intelligent beings. I don’t envy Abrams, whose hatred for the Last Jedi is only eclipsed by Mark Hamill’s.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:22 pm to OMLandshark
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I don’t envy Abrams, whose hatred for the Last Jedi is only eclipsed by Mark Hamill’s.
Wait, really? I never caught Abrams reaction.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:25 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Did George Lucas acknowledge any of the EU as canon? Anakin was "the chosen one". It was very clear.
Yes and no. Coruscant originated from the EU as did other elements from the films as well as the TV series The Clone Wars, but if Twitter person is not talking about the EU when mentioning "40 years of darkside lore," what is he talking about?
6 films does not equate to 40 years worth of material.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:26 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Wait, really? I never caught Abrams reaction.
This is why you never caught his reaction and why Hamill’s was silenced after a while:
There’s no way he had Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder in mind when shooting that epic closing shot. If JJ were in charge of the Star Wars universe and not Kathleen Kennedy, he would have immediately fired Johnson after reading that.
That’s the big frick-up here is not making JJ the Kevin Fiege of Star Wars. JJ is an ok Director, but I think he’s a fantastic producer who has a great eye for talent. I don’t think JJ would have made Solo either since I think he gets the allure of Han Solo and the Kessel Run and his last name being explained ruins that. JJ would have knocked it out of the park with the anthology series, but a hack like Kathleen Kennedy had no more vision than Boba Fett or Dexter Jettster spinoffs.
This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:27 pm to OMLandshark
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Johnson left Abrams literally nothing to work with. It makes no sense and it seems as if the Resistance and the First Order wiped each other out by the end of it. It’s like if the Nazis and Soviets basically wiped each other out at Stalingrad and for a third party not to come in. It makes no sense on Earth, nevertheless in a universe with trillions of intelligent beings. I don’t envy Abrams, whose hatred for the Last Jedi is only eclipsed by Mark Hamill’s.
Unless, they're setting up for the Yuuzhan Vong to show up and sweep the galaxy forcing Ray and what remains of the Resistance and what remains of Kylo-Ren's First Order to work together to defeat them.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:27 pm to OMLandshark
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This is why you never caught his reaction and why Hamill’s was silenced after a while:
Yeah, I caught Hamill's reaction. He was 100% correct. He knew Luke 100x better than any Disney dipshit, especially dickless Rian.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:31 pm to kingbob
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Unless, they're setting up for the Yuuzhan Vong to show up and sweep the galaxy forcing Ray and what remains of the Resistance and what remains of Kylo-Ren's First Order to work together to defeat them.
There’s no way Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy has read those. JJ, yes, but I doubt either of those clowns could tell me who Thrawn is.
This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:32 pm to OMLandshark
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:36 pm to OMLandshark
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There’s no way Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy has read those.
I agree, but I honestly believe that is the only way to salvage this series without remaking TLJ.
However, if I were JJ Abrams, what I would do is keep everything completely under wraps prior to the release date of Episode IX, and then surprise everyone with it actually being a remake of Episode VIII that fixes the problems of Rian Johnson's version. Then, announce that the real episode IX will be coming out next year. What JJ Abrams would have been filming during this time is doing the re-shoots for the retconned TLJ and the new Episode IX at the same time.
TLJ is a really bad movie, but there's so many pieces of a great movie in there that a competent director could probably turn it into a truly great movie with some creative cutting and about 20-30 minutes of new footage.
This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:37 pm to DelU249
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I don't think abrams really gives a frick one way or the other.
Disney checks don't bounce.
It’s still his baby, and Abrams has a history of leaving his projects in good hands. JJ is a true fan that would have thrown TLJ in the shredder pretty immediately.
I am thoroughly convinced JJ’s idea for the sequel trilogy was basically ripping off Avatar The Last Airbender. This isn’t unfounded since he wrote an episode of the series. It’s just similar and different enough from Star Wars to work. But when Rian Johnson got Abrams first draft for the sequel, he only used a few set pieces JJ had in mind and then proceeded to do the opposite on literally everything. Ask Daisy Ridley, since she was shocked by the changes.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:40 pm to kingbob
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However, if I were JJ Abrams, what I would do is keep everything completely under wraps prior to the release date of Episode IX, and then surprise everyone with it actually being a remake of Episode VIII that fixes the problems of Rian Johnson's version. Then, announce that the real episode IX will be coming out next year. What JJ Abrams would have been filming during this time is doing the re-shoots for the retconned TLJ and the new Episode IX at the same time.
That would get me in the theater, but there’s no way in hell Kathleen Kennedy will allow this. JJ does not have complete creative control. Kennedy is unfortunately his boss and doesn’t want him shitting on top of her massive pile of bullshite.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 3:41 pm to OMLandshark
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That would get me in the theater, but there’s no way in hell Kathleen Kennedy will allow this. JJ does not have complete creative control. Kennedy is unfortunately his boss and doesn’t want him shitting on top of her massive pile of bullshite.
Of course not. Kennedy would rather run the series into the ground than have to admit that any decision she made was a mistake.
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