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Episode IX is the lame duck in Disney's Star Wars saga (Forbes)

Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:43 am
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:43 am
For those who frequent the poli-board, you are likely well aware of Scott Mendelson. Huge sjw but he brings up great points here.


His basic question: Can Disney make people care about Star Wars without connecting to the OT?

From all indications, it looks like Disney will be using Ep.9 to kill off everything we knew from the OT and the prequels. They've been slowly killing off all the popular OT characters one by one in each episode. It even looks like they may be voiding out the entire purpose of Anakin/Vader existence and replace that role with....Rey.

Who knows, maybe C3PO and R2-D2 finally get sucked out into space one last time with Chewbacca.

Its sad, because it just looks like they bought Star wars and had no plan on how to maintain old fans from prequels & OT, while also drawing in new fans.

Kathleen Kennedy even said in an interview she felt no obligation to cater to the regular fans. Because Disney wants them gone.


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I’m guessing J.J. Abrams and friends noticed the success of Marvel baiting the Internet with an unrevealed Avengers  4 title for over four years. The project was announced in October of 2014 with the first teaser debuting in early December of 2018. Thus, I’d expect Episode IX to get a title right along with its first teaser during this year’s Star Wars Celebration in mid-April. We didn’t get a title for Star Wars 9 because we didn’t need one, because Disney can get the same free publicity from speculative posts. Moreover, Disney’s big Christmas release is both incredibly important and utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.


That’s because no matter how it performs in December, Walt Disney will face the same challenge: How do they make general audiences care about Star Wars movies that aren’t explicitly connected to those first three Star Wars movies (Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi?) and explicitly tied into the saga of the Skywalker family? Rogue One and the George Lucas prequels were, well, prequels to the first three Star Wars movies and the last three Disney episodes were 30-years-later sequels to Return of the Jedi complete with the return of Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher.




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After this, presuming Disney really does give Rian Johnson his own disconnected trilogy and let the Game of Thrones guys make their own Star Wars movies, to say nothing of Jon Favreau’s The Mandalorian episodic series on Disney+, Star Wars will face a unique challenge. What will general moviegoers think about Star Wars movies that are mostly disconnected from the world, story, and characters of George Lucas’ original trilogy? To what extent did folks flock to The Force Awakens specifically because it promised the return of Hamill, Ford, and Fisher?



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Since Episode IX will apparently close the book on the Skywalker/Solo story that began in 1977, Disney must go back to the proverbial drawing board no matter how well this ninth Star Wars episode performs. We know that right now, in 2019 (and beyond), merely offering a relatively high-quality mega-budget sci-fi fantasy actioner isn’t enough to get people into the theater. So, without the explicit ties to the Darth Vader saga, without explicit ties to the defining original trilogy characters, will folks still consider Star Wars movies to be worth trekking out to a theater to see? We don’t know.




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Maybe it will eventually become a Pixar or MCU-like brand, where the Lucasfilm franchise is big and trusted enough where people are excited just because it’s a Star Wars movie. Or maybe, after the balance is returned to the Force, audiences will look at a new Star Wars movie as little different from the next Alita: Battle Angel or Jupiter Ascending. We don’t know what the next Star Wars movies will be after Episode IX, either because Lucasfilm is being as tip-lipped as Marvel is about their respective post-Endgame plans or because they are taking time to figure out what the next phase of Star Wars should look like.


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But for now, all eyes are on Star Wars Episode IX, where J.J. Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy, and friends will attempt to tie up the Rey/Kylo saga in a way that theoretically pleases the nostalgic fans and the “deconstruction > nostalgia” folks. I imagine whatever they do is going to upset or displease 50% of the fans anyway, so I hope they just do whatever they want. It is also the equivalent of a lame deck entry in the franchise. Whether Episode IX sinks or soars, Star Wars will face the same fundamental challenge of thriving outside of its core narrative and sans its marquee characters.




Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:47 am to
This may be a bigger wasted potential than the DCEU. Just ruined it.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:47 am to
Just make good films and the fans will come. Give us something like KOTR, and I assure you it'll kill it at the box office.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:52 am to
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His basic question: Can Disney make people care about Star Wars without connecting to the OT?


I’m not sure how much you can. The OT blew everyone away, but honestly, there are just other more interesting stories now.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:56 am to
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I’m not sure how much you can. The OT blew everyone away, but honestly, there are just other more interesting stories now.





But what is star wars without jedi/sith?


Just another big budget space movie.

I cant imagine Star Wars without the presence of jedi/sith, or force users. That's a huge component to the star wars universe. Disney has not handled this part of star wars well, at all. It's a huge mess at this point.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:58 am to
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They've been slowly killing off all the popular OT characters one by one in each episode.


These actors aren't immortals. They have to or they will die in real life before they finish the movies.
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:59 am to
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They've been slowly killing off all the popular OT characters one by one in each episode.


They had a perfect opportunity to kill off Leah and instead did an audience fake out that made no sense. THEN, the actress DIED!!! That moment when Kylo Ren hesitates, can't take the kill shot because he knows it would mean killing his mother, but then someone else does, and she dies anyway would have been an excellent storyline to drive his conflicted dark side anti-hero arc.

Instead, we got Mary Poppins in space. F&%k Rion Johnson.
This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:59 am to
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These actors aren't immortals. They have to or they will die in real life before they finish the movies.



Never said they couldnt die, but at least give them respectable send offs.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:59 am to
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They had a perfect opportunity to kill off Leah and instead did an audience fake out that made no sense



Because shes a woman. This was woman power star wars.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:00 pm to
Never expected this, but Star Wars will get an actual reboot in the future.

They will realize the screwed up and re-do the 3rd trilogy.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:02 pm to
While they're at it, get rid of Rey and everyone from TLJ too.

If they really want to win back fans and start the frick over and say...sorry.







I saw an Esquire article that ranked all the Star Wars films and The Last Jedi was #3.

They had as the best in the franchise:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Star Wars
3. The Last Jedi

I am so done with Star Wars, it's become political now with ridiculous storylines and the media loves it. They love that they emasculated Luke and made him a giant pussy.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:09 pm to
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Instead, we got Mary Poppins in space. 


How does a scene like that get approved
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:09 pm to
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How does a scene like that get approved


Posted by Loaner1231
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:10 pm to
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Who knows, maybe C3PO and R2-D2 finally get sucked out into space one last time with Chewbacca.


They’ll all just die, along with Lando, when something destroys the Millennium Falcon.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:11 pm to
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How does a scene like that get approved



Eta:Landshark beat me.


"What's that nerd? You think you're a star wars fan? Think again! It's a WOMYN'S game now. Step aside you rapist."

This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 12:12 pm
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:13 pm to
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How does a scene like that get approved


I don't know, but all I know is that it completely took me out of the movie. I actually enjoyed TLJ on my first viewing, but I f&%king HATED that scene.
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:16 pm to
Star wars has always been the original trilogy and will always be the original trilogy.

It's the foundation of everything. To think they can replace it for a new generation is insanity.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:28 pm to
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Star wars has always been the original trilogy and will always be the original trilogy.

It's the foundation of everything. To think they can replace it for a new generation is insanity.



I'm okay with moving on from it...but what we've seen up to this point, is them completely running OVER the OT


Literally everything that was gained over the course of the OT in terms of character development and narrative was thrown into the garbage.


Topple the empire?- Nope, First Order is just new empire with a different symbol.


Luke goes from farm boy to legendary jedi?-Now hes just a cynical, crotchety old hermit who drinks blue milk and calls lightsabers "laser swords" .

Balance of the force?-Nah, that didnt happen, Rey will balance the force.

The ancient jedi texts to restore the jedi order?- Nah, those are just silly old books, in fact, "force ghost" Yoda is going to set them on fire via lightning.


They were supposed to CONTINUE the story, continue a new path, not rehash the original and write over it.


Rey should have been a Jedi student of Luke. Instead they just turned her into a female Anakin Skywalker without the internal struggle and without any external adversity either.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:29 pm to
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Give us something like KOTR


Mother.
frickING.
This.
Posted by meeple
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Member since May 2011
9378 posts
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:33 pm to
Is Lawrence Kasdan involved in this at all like he was in TFA?
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