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re: Boy scouts allow gays & gals; lied for pervs, lose half of membership, now face bankruptcy
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:42 pm to ibldprplgld
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:42 pm to ibldprplgld
I would be suspicious of a man without kids wanting to be around my kids no offense
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:44 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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Most people who have negative views on scouting have no idea what the program is about. They take the soundbites they hear on TV and form an opinion based on something they know very little about.
In the Cub Scouts, those little guys have no idea what the hell these adult topics are about and just want to play...The Boy Scouts just want to enjoy the time learning and doing scout skills, fellowship with each other and eat, eat,eat...
This was my experience. I was far too young to know anything about my sexuality or about current PC movements -- even if I did, I didn't care. I was having too much fun with my friends.
The campouts were some of the best memories of my childhood and I know all the Dads loved it too.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:47 pm to el Gaucho
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I would be suspicious of a man without kids wanting to be around my kids no offense
Me2. 100%. It wouldn't make me any more or less concerned whether he was gay or straight.
When I was a scout, all the men in leadership roles were dads. We knew everyone. All of our dads were heavily involved in all the activities. It was as much fun for them as it was for us.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:50 pm to ibldprplgld
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Not all gays are foxes, and some straight men are foxes.
Not sure if you're trying to say that some "straight" men might be trying to bugger little boys, but if that's what you're saying, you'd be wrong.
Any man who has sex with another man or attempts to is not straight.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:52 pm to ibldprplgld
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The campouts were some of the best memories of my childhood and I know all the Dads loved it too.
I wasn't able to complete scouts when I was a boy and fortunately my son took to it from the first grade on and we have enjoyed our time. I was actually his Den leader moving up each year until we both crossed over 2 years ago.
I think any parent would greatly benefit being an adult leader in scouting...Aside from the wonderful experiences of watching your child grow up before your eyes along with all of the other boys you have been with over the years, I think it made me a much better parent. It taught me patience which has helped me be a better father, husband and employee at work. It also has help to remind me to teach things to my son that sometimes we allow live to distract us from doing.
I hope my son looks back on our times in scouting as fondly as you do with your dad.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:52 pm to bamarep
I was part of the largest Eagle Scout class in the southeast region of the USA.
I enjoyed Boy Scouts very much.
Since before I was involved (in the 90s), Scouting was in a great decline. Yet, you fault inclusion for it.
Do you understand that you're literally faulting the act of welcoming everyone for the decline of Boy Scouts. Then, like the article, you point out that their now all of a sudden protecting their "perversion" files. Do you realize how far back those files go?
Yet, in all of this, you fail to realize that a more progressive society is what pushed these changes (including organizations like the Catholic Church coming forward with covered up abuse).
Let me ask why it was "ok" for these large organizations to hide such abuse in the past and why it's so important to come out with the information now? Why in 2018? Why not in 1990?
You know that answer now...socially lame conservatives.
I enjoyed Boy Scouts very much.
Since before I was involved (in the 90s), Scouting was in a great decline. Yet, you fault inclusion for it.
Do you understand that you're literally faulting the act of welcoming everyone for the decline of Boy Scouts. Then, like the article, you point out that their now all of a sudden protecting their "perversion" files. Do you realize how far back those files go?
Yet, in all of this, you fail to realize that a more progressive society is what pushed these changes (including organizations like the Catholic Church coming forward with covered up abuse).
Let me ask why it was "ok" for these large organizations to hide such abuse in the past and why it's so important to come out with the information now? Why in 2018? Why not in 1990?
You know that answer now...socially lame conservatives.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:53 pm to ibldprplgld
You: yeah, I'm gay but that doesn't really identify me
Toddy crowd: we are gay and you pay attention to us and you will celebrate us
You win.
Toddy crowd: we are gay and you pay attention to us and you will celebrate us
You win.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:55 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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I hope my son looks back on our times in scouting as fondly as you do with your dad.
I'm sure he will.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:59 pm to jptiger2009
I plan to try scouts with my son. Hopefully they are around in a few years when he is old enough. Don’t really care about any of the BS diversity shite as long as we can spend some quality outdoor bonding time together.
In fact; if the people that have left the organization are representative of the shite heads on this board celebrating this then all the better.
In fact; if the people that have left the organization are representative of the shite heads on this board celebrating this then all the better.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 12:59 pm to roadGator
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You: yeah, I'm gay but that doesn't really identify me
Toddy crowd: we are gay and you pay attention to us and you will celebrate us
Exactly. Being gay is only one drop in the bucket of what makes me who I am. People like Toddy are actually very insecure and need approval from everyone.
But more to the point of the thread, it just wasn't an issue when I was a scout. IDK, like I said, maybe times have changed. I sincerely doubt it was scouts ruining the organization as it was some parents who were too small and petty to let it exist as it did because it didn't fit their world view. Very sad.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:05 pm to TheFonz
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I think of the Red Dawn scene where Col. Bella is questioning the Mayor about his son and says he was "A member of an elite paramilitary organization: Eagle Scout."
You may laugh, but my grandfather was a scoutmaster in the 1930s. Not only did he teach the usual camping/cooking/bridge building etc..., but he also drilled them with wooden rifles, squad tactics and survival techniques. At his funeral in the late 70s, I met a few of the scouts that he taught, who had served in WWII, and they told me that the training they got from my grandfather very much prepared them for what they were in for in Europe during the war.
I joined a year or so later, but was only in for one year as I found it to be mostly a bunch of bullshite, with an occasional camping trip. So after I quit, I did a lot more hiking and camping and found better resources for wilderness hiking, camping and survival training. There are better organizations out there for that type of stuff than the Boy Scouts.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:11 pm to ibldprplgld
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When I was a scout, all the men in leadership roles were dads.
I used to be the President of a youth baseball organization.
If you wanted to coach and didn't have a son then you got two background checks instead of one and you had to sit with me or the Vice President and meet for a while.
We never told them the purpose of our meeting but the goal was to make it clear how much we'd do to protect our own kids and the kids in our charge at the park.
Sort of the "what part of I don't mind killing you do you not understand" thing. Unofficially of course.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:quote:Is that a problem?
allowing openly gay scouts
It's a problem with me.
In my opinion, children aren't homosexual or heterosexual, they are children, and shouldn't be burdened by labels being put on them. Their sexuality hasn't been fully developed yet, so let them do what they want to do, and label them (if we must) when they are adults.
Let kids be kids while they can.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:21 pm to roadGator
Yup, this was the same thing as all the sports teams I was on. We didn't have any men associated with them who weren't dads. I'd be suspicious of any man who wanted to be a scout leader, baseball coach, etc. who didn't have kids.
But I'd be curious to know the profile of the sexual offenders in the BSA that were hidden. Were they dads, or otherwise unaffiliated men?
But I'd be curious to know the profile of the sexual offenders in the BSA that were hidden. Were they dads, or otherwise unaffiliated men?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:22 pm to bamarep
Wonder if dumb as a rock tillerson still has anything to do with them?
He was for all that shite
He was for all that shite
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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children aren't homosexual or heterosexual, they are children
sounds like you have scientific evidence to substantiate this
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Let kids be kids while they can
but, I can get behind this.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:41 pm to ibldprplgld
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Were they dads, or otherwise unaffiliated men?
great point.
it's like the Jesuits pointed out in New Orleans, it wasn't only Priests involved in the sexual abuse, there were quite a few other "professionals" involved.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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There are better organizations out there for that type of stuff than the Boy Scouts
your grandfather is rolling in his grave...you have given up on something you were never really a part of.
Sounds like Scouts were a big part of his life...
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:44 pm to cokebottleag
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I was an eagle scout and so were all my brothers.
Gd... Either your parents were top flight, or they were hardcore af. Nice job, though. That's hard work at any age... particularly that age.
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