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Game Planning The Refs
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:09 am
Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:09 am
In the week leading up to the Superbowl in 2010, the NFL released some interesting statements about the Saints offense.
The Colts organization was contending that the many formations and motions employed by the Saints offense all season were illegal.
The NFL said that the assigned Superbowl crew would pay close attention to the Colts' concerns.
CSP countered that week in the media that his coaching staff studied the tendencies and calls of the assigned officiating crew.
CSP retorted that the Saints would remove all plays from the playbook that the assigned crew was known to heavily penalize.
Most coaches and the media do not openly discuss that officiating is a big part of game planning each week a game is played.
The NFL keeps a tight leash on NFL coaches and players that may want to criticize officiating.
Even discussing an officiating crew's tendencies openly to the media as part of your game plan is frowned upon.
In the 2010 Superbowl, the Saints executed a more simplified offense.
On the "ambush" call to start the 2nd half of the 2010 Superbowl, CSP informed head of officiating Mike Pereira about the on sides kick.
With all the on the field game mics and video, the conversation was recorded with Pereira.
CSP was making sure the refs were exactly informed of the on sides kick to avoid any possible penalty.
It appears in the Saints recent playoff loss, the Saints were trying to avoid a pass interference call.
Any contact with the Viking WR would have led to an extra play with no time on the clock.
When coaches appear to make odd calls during a game that don't seem to fit the normal X's and O's of an opponent, it may be a call with the refs in mind.
As Jim Mora might say, "You think you know, but you DON'T-KNOW, and you never WILL, okay?"
The Colts organization was contending that the many formations and motions employed by the Saints offense all season were illegal.
The NFL said that the assigned Superbowl crew would pay close attention to the Colts' concerns.
CSP countered that week in the media that his coaching staff studied the tendencies and calls of the assigned officiating crew.
CSP retorted that the Saints would remove all plays from the playbook that the assigned crew was known to heavily penalize.
Most coaches and the media do not openly discuss that officiating is a big part of game planning each week a game is played.
The NFL keeps a tight leash on NFL coaches and players that may want to criticize officiating.
Even discussing an officiating crew's tendencies openly to the media as part of your game plan is frowned upon.
In the 2010 Superbowl, the Saints executed a more simplified offense.
On the "ambush" call to start the 2nd half of the 2010 Superbowl, CSP informed head of officiating Mike Pereira about the on sides kick.
With all the on the field game mics and video, the conversation was recorded with Pereira.
CSP was making sure the refs were exactly informed of the on sides kick to avoid any possible penalty.
It appears in the Saints recent playoff loss, the Saints were trying to avoid a pass interference call.
Any contact with the Viking WR would have led to an extra play with no time on the clock.
When coaches appear to make odd calls during a game that don't seem to fit the normal X's and O's of an opponent, it may be a call with the refs in mind.
As Jim Mora might say, "You think you know, but you DON'T-KNOW, and you never WILL, okay?"
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 8:18 am to Mrwhodat
When the refs start that shite like they did in the Dallas game this year and Atlanta last year.... I would be cool with sending a tight end to run a route right into one of them.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:30 am to Mrwhodat
People can believe what they want to believe but where there's smoke there's fire and you either keep your nose to the wind and sniff it out or you get burned.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 9:43 am to Mrwhodat
When one realizes that during any NFL game, more time is spent dealing with Refs, judgment calls and Penalties, than is spent in play action on the field, your thread makes perfect sense.
When you consider that Huddles are not play action, you realize that of the hours spent watching any NFL game, there's very little of that time devoted to seeing actual play action on the field. Most of the time is consumed by the administrative functions surrounding the game.
When you consider that Huddles are not play action, you realize that of the hours spent watching any NFL game, there's very little of that time devoted to seeing actual play action on the field. Most of the time is consumed by the administrative functions surrounding the game.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:41 pm to Mrwhodat
I’m starting to think that they should develop public statistics to evaluate Refs in ways fans and teams can understand.
The league already contracts out a 3rd party to study and grade refs, and the best get to go to the post season, but I think we need more transparent and organized stats on these guys.
Number of total penalties
% called correctly
Number of missed calls
Etc.
Stats like that are evidence of their performance, so you can point and say, “Here’s why this ref isn’t getting the job done.” I think that increases accountability.
That’s how you evaluate players / coaches, after all. When a player isn’t cutting it, you look at stats and say “here’s why”.
Those same standards don’t apply to refs. Or maybe they do, but fans / the public don’t know how exactly they are judged.
The league already contracts out a 3rd party to study and grade refs, and the best get to go to the post season, but I think we need more transparent and organized stats on these guys.
Number of total penalties
% called correctly
Number of missed calls
Etc.
Stats like that are evidence of their performance, so you can point and say, “Here’s why this ref isn’t getting the job done.” I think that increases accountability.
That’s how you evaluate players / coaches, after all. When a player isn’t cutting it, you look at stats and say “here’s why”.
Those same standards don’t apply to refs. Or maybe they do, but fans / the public don’t know how exactly they are judged.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:18 pm to Mrwhodat
quote:You may be right but I spoke to the umpire in the game, Undrey Wash, and he told me the officials were told about the possibility of this in the pregame meeting. The officials were told that the Saints didn't know when but that it was in the game plan and probable. The officials talked about the possibility just before they came out of the locker room for the second half and were watching for it.
On the "ambush" call to start the 2nd half of the 2010 Superbowl, CSP informed head of officiating Mike Pereira about the on sides kick.
Posted on 12/2/18 at 8:01 am to Mrwhodat
Part of it is us though.
We need to clean up sloppy mistakes.
That Von Bell hands to the face penalty comes to mind.
What the Hell was he thinking?
The game was on the line.
We need to clean that stuff up.
We need to clean up sloppy mistakes.
That Von Bell hands to the face penalty comes to mind.
What the Hell was he thinking?
The game was on the line.
We need to clean that stuff up.
Posted on 12/2/18 at 8:32 am to diat150
quote:
When the refs start that shite like they did in the Dallas game
Stop crying, you got beat by a better team
Posted on 12/2/18 at 8:59 am to The Torch
We will see who the better team is. If dallas can play with that same intensity the rest of the season MAYBE they will earn a rematch with the Saints in the dome. Win that game and I'll be a believer. Until then this was just like our game in Atlanta last year. A fluke win for dallas.
Posted on 12/2/18 at 9:20 am to The Torch
quote:
Stop crying, you got beat by a better team
Bull frickin shite. Dallas didn't beat us. We beat ourselves along with the officials helping Dallas. 9 out of 10 times we throttle those bitches. This was the 1 time.
Posted on 12/2/18 at 9:28 am to saintsfan1977
quote:
Bull frickin shite. Dallas didn't beat us. We beat ourselves along with the officials helping Dallas. 9 out of 10 times we throttle those bitches. This was the 1 time.
Doubtful since Cleveland should have beat ya'll
Posted on 12/2/18 at 9:33 am to The Torch
quote:
Doubtful since Cleveland should have beat ya'll
This isn't a cowgirls forum. Move along. I hope we see them in the playoffs again.
Posted on 12/2/18 at 10:05 am to saintsfan1977
quote:
This isn't a cowgirls forum
Well last week it was - Cowboys suck, once we beat the cowboys, how many points will we beat the cowboys by, should we take the ball first or 2nd blah blah blah
How's that crow taste
Posted on 12/2/18 at 10:43 am to The Torch
I knew the Saints were due for a loss. I'm also a little surprised that there are so few cow trolls over now. Just make sure you stay until your season ends and prove your man (or woman) enough to take what you dish out.
Posted on 12/2/18 at 10:55 am to Westworld
quote:
Just make sure you stay until your season ends
I'll be over here polishing these five trophies
Posted on 12/2/18 at 11:05 am to The Torch
Let's keep our elite football talk to this century please. Typical cowboys fan living in the past.
Posted on 12/2/18 at 11:35 am to The Torch
quote:
How's that crow taste
Vintage 90s crow. It was saved since the last time Dallas was relevant.
Posted on 12/2/18 at 1:17 pm to The Torch
If the cowboys want to go to the big game, you guys better reserve some tickets. You, honestly, don't have a shot. You guys think a 3 point game, with the refs in your back pocket, is an asswhoopin? You guys got lucky. Be glad and move on. Good luck with the rest of your "championship season"
This post was edited on 12/2/18 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/2/18 at 2:31 pm to The Torch
You probably weren't even born yet when they won those.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:55 am to Mook1e
quote:
I’m starting to think that they should develop public statistics to evaluate Refs in ways fans and teams can understand.
The league already contracts out a 3rd party to study and grade refs, and the best get to go to the post season, but I think we need more transparent and organized stats on these guys.
Number of total penalties
% called correctly
Number of missed calls
Etc.
Stats like that are evidence of their performance, so you can point and say, “Here’s why this ref isn’t getting the job done.” I think that increases accountability.
That’s how you evaluate players / coaches, after all. When a player isn’t cutting it, you look at stats and say “here’s why”.
Those same standards don’t apply to refs. Or maybe they do, but fans / the public don’t know how exactly they are judged.
quote:
Cowboys' Jaylon Smith on helmet-to-helmet hit on Kamara: 'This is the last gladiator sport'
quote:
Lindsay Jones
?@bylindsayhjones
Jaylon Smith on his hit on Alvin Kamara: "This is the last gladiator sport. It’s a physical game. It’s play I was able to be physical on and help my defense." So, what does that say about the NFL's stance on player safety?
quote:
Peter King
?@peter_king
The NFL has to answer about these lowering the helmet calls. The league is toothless. Where is the accountability for the officials on those calls? League says they’re all-in on enforcing helmet hits, and they let those like ones on Jordan Reed (Sunday) and Kamara now go.
The only public statistics being kept on NFL refs and the accountability for their actions are being kept by the media.
Too many non calls or wrong calls simply do not get any attention from the media.
We need a public organization like the Elias Sports Bureau to stat the Refs.
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