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re: Arkansas Voted An Increase To The Min Wage - $11.00 Over 3 Years
Posted on 11/7/18 at 8:23 am to LSUsmartass
Posted on 11/7/18 at 8:23 am to LSUsmartass
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Meaning outsourcing manufacturing/production to China and Taiwan for .25/hr?
Or automation, like McDonalds adding kiosks.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 8:25 am to AUCE05
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The counter argument is if as a company, if you are dependent on $7/hr labor, then you need to update your processes.
The McD's near my house recently installed automated ordering kiosks. So that's an updated process. Now they need the robots so they stop screwing up my order...
Posted on 11/7/18 at 8:34 am to zatetic
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Or automation, like McDonalds adding kiosks.
The failure behind the "a minimum wage increase will cause automation" argument has always been and will always be twofold
1. Those jobs will be automated eventually regardless of the minimum wage
and more importantly
2. There will ALWAYS be minimum wage jobs, which means , for example, that once McDonalds has fully automated their stores with the exception of a few managers to make sure the place keeps running, those managers will become the new minimum wage workers, and McDonalds will expect them to work for minimum wage because after all their primary goal is to produce at the lowest cost possible.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 8:35 am to Sao
Damn I bet meth is gonna go up like 10 bucks a gram there
Posted on 11/7/18 at 8:36 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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McDonalds will expect them to work for minimum wage because after all their primary goal is to produce at the lowest cost possible.
What McDonalds expects and what the market bares don't have to coincide.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 8:40 am to Topwater Trout
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essentially keeping that hourly rate the same as it's always been
Here's the rub on it. You think the grocery store produce manager is going to continue to be happy with 11 per, knowing that the kid bagging groceries is making that much too? Nope. And businesses need to cover that somehow, with higher prices.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 8:46 am to Quidam65
And you will probably see more of that if we raise the min wage. That is a good thing.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:05 am to AUCE05
In terms of an automation and min wage conversation, why do people almost always go to a McDonald's or fast food debate?
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It's as if there is a "those types" effect that overshadows any other unskilled demo.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:17 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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What McDonalds expects and what the market bares don't have to coincide.
Of course not, but its not but we're not an open market in that way anyway. We are and have been for almost a hundred years been a market that the government sets a floor on wages and then allows employers and employees to figure it out from there. It seems to work fairly well for us, meaning the only real question is where should that floor be. Well in Arkansas it should be $11 within the next 3 years.
AND if you look at minimum wage adjusted for inflation over the years, $11 really only puts the minimum wage back to 1968 levels after watching it drop over in the intervening years. THat's another point so many point forget.
Now, if on the other hand you just believe that a minimum wage law at all is wrong, that's a different argument, but it can't be argued that the minimum wage isn't worth what it once was, it isn't.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:26 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
But what can be argued is that if you’re okay waiting to get your raises on the government’s timetable, you’ve got other issues.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:28 am to Sao
man i need to moove to arkansas. thats hella lot better than wha I makein now.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:29 am to bootyfinga
Come on! DeQueen is hiring. You bilingual?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:32 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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voted yes on this though because I've little doubt that there are areas of the state where the minimum wage is all that is offered.
Forced increases to the min wage hurt min wage employees the most. It’s been proven and shown time and time and time again.
There should be no min wage.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:32 am to AUCE05
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The counter argument is if as a company, if you are dependent on $7/hr labor, then you need to update your processes.
Higher wages for unskilled will lead to more automation and therefore more unemployment.
Thanks for your support.... big business thanks you as well
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Higher wages for unskilled will lead to more automation and therefore more unemployment.
Creating temporary unemployment to advance the skills of the overall economy isn't always a bad thing.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:36 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Creating temporary unemployment to advance the skills of the overall economy isn't always a bad thing.
I agree, however the rubes who support higher min wages don't understand economics and need to be reminded of the unintended results of their good intentions.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:41 am to Bullfrog
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But what can be argued is that if you’re okay waiting to get your raises on the government’s timetable, you’ve got other issues.
To your point, I don't think that CAN be argued. If you only get pay raises when the minimum wage is increased you have some problems lol
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
I voted against it. As an educated, salaried employee, somehow I fee like I'm going to be the one paying for the increase.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 9:42 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Well in Arkansas it should be $11 within the next 3 years.
Nationally, adults making the min wage are In very low numbers
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Full- and part-time status. About 6 percent of part-time workers (persons who usually work fewer than 35 hours per week) were paid the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 1 percent of full-time workers.
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Among hourly paid workers age 16 and older, about 4 percent of those without a high school diploma earned the federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of those who had a high school diploma (with no college), about 2 percent of those with some college or an associate degree, and about 1 percent of college graduates
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