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The Economic Breakdown of Rural vs Urban America
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:36 am
Posted on 10/30/18 at 8:36 am
Why Trump Supporters Support him?
And as you might have already guessed, the “Blue Counties” are where you could find most of the US major cities.
Something indeed changed for ever the face of America and created the divide I mentioned above.
Not liberalism.
Deindustrialization.
We call it “Rural desertification”.
Why so many Middle Aged White Americans are dying?
When Trump declared that he would take jobs back from China, people from towns were probably hopeful economy could flow again in the place of their childhood.
But those supporters would most likely be best served if they targeted robots instead of the Chinese:
Robots Are a Bigger Problem for rural america
Still again, this is not exclusive to America.
This is not an American problem.
This is not even a “City folks” problem.
This is a capitalistic problem.
And as you might have already guessed, the “Blue Counties” are where you could find most of the US major cities.
Something indeed changed for ever the face of America and created the divide I mentioned above.
Not liberalism.
Deindustrialization.
We call it “Rural desertification”.
Why so many Middle Aged White Americans are dying?
When Trump declared that he would take jobs back from China, people from towns were probably hopeful economy could flow again in the place of their childhood.
But those supporters would most likely be best served if they targeted robots instead of the Chinese:
Robots Are a Bigger Problem for rural america
Still again, this is not exclusive to America.
This is not an American problem.
This is not even a “City folks” problem.
This is a capitalistic problem.
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Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:09 am to volod
So much for the "objective" political talk.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:14 am to volod
Sam Kinison had it right - move to where the jobs are
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:22 am to Wtodd
I agree on that. To be fair, I need to look into party migration (how many workers transfer from Red to Red state).
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:24 am to volod
IMO (and no I don't have any facts to back this up) Reps will move far more often than Dems to find a job.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:26 am to volod
quote:
This is a capitalistic problem.
No such thing. Capitalism is the best economic system ever devised by humans. Everything you hold dear is thanks to capitalism.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:27 am to volod
I think the success of capitalism causes its downfall.
Capitalism feeds and encourages selfishness for the most part.
The better off people become, the less likely they are to have children. They want to lead selfish lives free from burden. This causes the more educated and successful of us to die off, childless. We see this mostly among whites because of the size of this population, but the trend likely still holds among affluent Asians and Blacks.
Meanwhile the poor and undereducated, supplemented by government, continue to breed.
The good news is that there will always be people willing to bring themselves out of poverty if given a chance to do so. They will likely not be "white" people into the future.
This racial aspect shouldn't bother anyone. What matters is that American values and culture survive.
The bigger problem is the poor being subsidized. This only grows government and with enough time the government will turn socialist/communist and usurp the will of the poor to better themselves.
Capitalism feeds and encourages selfishness for the most part.
The better off people become, the less likely they are to have children. They want to lead selfish lives free from burden. This causes the more educated and successful of us to die off, childless. We see this mostly among whites because of the size of this population, but the trend likely still holds among affluent Asians and Blacks.
Meanwhile the poor and undereducated, supplemented by government, continue to breed.
The good news is that there will always be people willing to bring themselves out of poverty if given a chance to do so. They will likely not be "white" people into the future.
This racial aspect shouldn't bother anyone. What matters is that American values and culture survive.
The bigger problem is the poor being subsidized. This only grows government and with enough time the government will turn socialist/communist and usurp the will of the poor to better themselves.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 9:31 am
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:27 am to volod
quote:
I agree on that. To be fair, I need to look into party migration (how many workers transfer from Red to Red state).
My knee jerk based upon movement patters within the U.S. is that there is more movement from Blue to Red than vice versa.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:29 am to beerJeep
quote:
No such thing. Capitalism is the best economic system ever devised by humans. Everything you hold dear is thanks to capitalism.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t downsides. No system is perfect.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:30 am to volod
So in your opinion going to work is a bad thing? Would you rather make 90k and live in New York or make 90K and live in Natchez? It's all relative.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:30 am to SidewalkDawg
quote:
Capitalism feeds and harnesses selfishness. Socialism ignores it, but either way there will always be selfishness
FIFY
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:31 am to Norbert
quote:
FIFY
I think the broader point of my post emphasizes this.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:32 am to SidewalkDawg
quote:Nope
I think the success of capitalism causes it's downfall.
quote:Nope
Capitalism feeds and encourages selfishness for the most part.
In fact, unlike Socialism or other similar approaches, Capitalism is the only system that literally rewards you for providing something your fellow man wants/needs.
quote:
The bigger problem is the poor being subsidized.
Nope. The biggest problem is the reality that the bell curve of results will always exist in any system, even the best because the bell curve of ability will always exist.
And, that means that in a system that rewards people based on their ability to provide something of value to their fellow man, that the people at the right side of the curve will do it a FAR higher rate than everyone else.
ALL, repeat ALL other systems exist for one purpose. And that purpose is to place the right and left sides of the bell curve closer together. And, since dragging the left side to the right is literally impossible, that leaves only one other choice.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:36 am to TimeOutdoors
quote:
opinion going to work is a bad thing? Would you rather make 90k and live in New York or make 90K and live in Natchez? It's all relative.
Sorry if I gave that implication. The original author focuses on the fact that rural whites have been hurt the most with modern workplace technology.
I want people to go to work.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:37 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Nope
In fact, unlike Socialism or other similar approaches, Capitalism is the only system that literally rewards you for providing something your fellow man wants/needs.
You need to evaluate your understanding of what it is to be selfish.
It doesn't mean you can't provide something to others. The motivation to provide the benefit is the "Reward" and has its roots in selfishness.
Selfish doesn't have to mean "Bad". It just means that the motivation for doing something is for my own benefit first.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:38 am to DallasTiger11
quote:
That doesn’t mean there aren’t downsides. No system is perfect.
Can you elaborate on these “downsides”
I’d wager they aren’t faults of the capitalist system, but rather faults on the individual.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:40 am to volod
quote:
The original author focuses on the fact that rural whites have been hurt the most with modern workplace technology
Bc they haven't done anything to keep pace with the changes.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:53 am to SidewalkDawg
quote:
Capitalism feeds and encourages selfishness for the most part.
The better off people become, the less likely they are to have children. They want to lead selfish lives free from burden. This causes the more educated and successful of us to die off, childless. We see this mostly among whites because of the size of this population, but the trend likely still holds among affluent Asians and Blacks.
Is this really a characteristic of capitalism, though? Or is it a characteristic of an advancing society? Are they separable?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:56 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
Is this really a characteristic of capitalism, though? Or is it a characteristic of an advancing society? Are they separable?
Define "Advancing" first. If it's advancing economic and social freedoms, then show me an "Advancing Society" without capitalism or one who doesn't benefit directly from a society that is capitalistic.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:56 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
Is this really a characteristic of capitalism, though?
It’s not related to capitalism at all. China says hello!
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