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re: Dave Roberts should be booted after this season
Posted on 10/27/18 at 10:55 pm to Alt26
Posted on 10/27/18 at 10:55 pm to Alt26
quote:He did the same thing last year against the Astros. The Astros were doing everything to win. Riding their best guys so they didn't have to use the bullpen as much. They even used starters in the bullpen. Anything to win.
Fired is silly. But he completely fricked up this game. Hill was cruising with a reasonable pitch count and he decides to make a change because some stat sheet tells you to do so?
It's tough enough to have to beat the opponent. But you shouldn't have to beat your own manager. Pay attention to the game man
Dave Roberts on the other hand, took out lights-out pitchers for seemingly no reason. I don't get why you don't ride the hot hand. Even if you do have a dominant bullpen, on any given night they might not have it.
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Posted on 10/27/18 at 10:55 pm to reauxl tigers
Roberts makes $1MM per year. GM makes $7MM per year. GM wants every decision dictated by algorithms and sabremetrics. Roberts is really in an impossible position and we really don’t know what his baseball instincts are as he’s never been allowed to use them.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 10:57 pm to reauxl tigers
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That ain't gonna cut it every year
Yea only making the world series 2 of his first 3 yrs just aint gonna cut it
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:00 pm to 9Fiddy
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Roberts makes $1MM per year. GM makes $7MM per year. GM wants every decision dictated by algorithms and sabremetrics. Roberts is really in an impossible position and we really don’t know what his baseball instincts are as he’s never been allowed to use them.
This.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:01 pm to Hot Carl
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Does he even make decisions or just robotically do what the algorithms tell him to?
This is whats really going on... He does whatever the front office tells him and that's exactly what they want.
They say don't ever let a pitcher see the lineup a third time.. Hell, he could be throwing a perfect game and the moronic analytic heads would say pull the guy. And that's what Roberts did. He followed the machine guidelines, instead of implementing basic common sense.
In a way, he becomes so predictable in his managing by doing this. They know he won't deviate from the numbers.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:08 pm to 632627
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He has zero autonomy. Everything is scripted and by the numbers.
So how does this work? Do they phone down to him to yank Hill and bring in Madson?
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:10 pm to Zappas Stache
They have hand signs but the red Sox stole them.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:22 pm to PrimeTime Money
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He did the same thing last year against the Astros. The Astros were doing everything to win. Riding their best guys so they didn't have to use the bullpen as much. They even used starters in the bullpen. Anything to win.
Dave Roberts on the other hand, took out lights-out pitchers for seemingly no reason. I don't get why you don't ride the hot hand. Even if you do have a dominant bullpen, on any given night they might not have it.
The Astros and Red Sox are both heavy anyaltic teams too, but they let their managers manage the game properly.
Cora obviously saw it firsthand from Hinch and now he's carried it over to the Red Sox.
Certain teams though, take The Dodgers AND Roberts and guys like Gabe Kapler & Philly are complete slaves to the stats, algorithms and numbers and leave common sense out of the equation, leaving yourself open for moronic decisions like tonight.
Roberts has totally bungled this entire series from a managerial standpoint. But he, nor the front office will ever admit it. It's my biggest issue with analytic nuts. Common sense is not quantifiable.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:24 pm to Tiger Ryno
I think they hacked big blue's DOS systems. Format c:/
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:25 pm to reauxl tigers
One on hand, the Dodgers didn’t do jack shite in the playoffs until Dave Roberts got there.
On the other hand, he has helped raise the bar for the current state of the franchise, but then micromanages pitching and matchups that leave your best guys on the bench watching their team lose.
This is how sabermetrics and numbers alone can frick shite up.
On the other hand, he has helped raise the bar for the current state of the franchise, but then micromanages pitching and matchups that leave your best guys on the bench watching their team lose.
This is how sabermetrics and numbers alone can frick shite up.
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:32 pm to 632627
I wish Friedman would have a press conference with Roberts and explain some of this shite. I feel like Dave Roberts is the fall guy in this deal
You don’t fire a manager coming off of two WS appearances
You don’t fire a manager coming off of two WS appearances
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:37 pm to TexasTiger08
Sabremetrics are great in a 162 game season where probability has a chance to play out and normalize especially when most of the time it doesn't matter that much what teams you win and lose to as long as you get enough wins. I don't understand how these guys haven't learned that in elimination series all that shite goes out the window.
This post was edited on 10/27/18 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:39 pm to DrSteveBrule
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Sabremetrics are great in a 162 game season where probability has a chance to play out and normalize. I don't understand how these guys haven't learned that in elimination series all that shite goes out the window.
Shouldn't sabermetrics be able to predict this?
Posted on 10/27/18 at 11:46 pm to DrSteveBrule
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Sabremetrics are great in a 162 game season where probability has a chance to play out and normalize especially when most of the time it doesn't matter that much what teams you win and lose to as long as you get enough wins. I don't understand how these guys haven't learned that in elimination series all that shite goes out the window.
agreed and said the same thing in last nights thread.
also, over a long season, most of the games are played against teams with inferior talent to the dodgers. that isn't the case in the World Series. they need to ride the hot hand and deviate from the analytics.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 12:24 am to PrimeTime Money
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Dave Roberts on the other hand, took out lights-out pitchers for seemingly no reason. I don't get why you don't ride the hot hand.
It's the modern symptom of over-managing. Maybe baseball managers believed the hype that they "were the most cereberal."
Tony LaRussa used to bring in a different fricking pitcher for every batter based on percentages.
It's fricking baseball man. Stick with the guy they haven't hit for 7 innings.
Red Sox had one hit.
Roberts goes to the Pen and they score 9 runs in 3 innings.
Close your laptop and watch the fricking game unfolding before when you make a managerial decision.
Managing is instincts, not just sabremetrics. It's also just letting the players play. Baseball has become micro-managed with all these fricking pitching changes...5-10 a game.
This post was edited on 10/28/18 at 12:28 am
Posted on 10/28/18 at 12:29 am to 632627
Tommy Lasorda once said everybody wins 50 and everybody loses 50, it’s the other 62 that decide your season. So relying on analytics for those 162 games and riding them to the playoffs makes perfect sense. Realizing that the stakes and intensity are radically different in the playoffs and being a Slave to the numbers defies common sense.
There is a “baseball man’s intuition” element to the game you can’t just ignore. Otherwise why have a manager in the dugout at all?
There is a “baseball man’s intuition” element to the game you can’t just ignore. Otherwise why have a manager in the dugout at all?
Posted on 10/28/18 at 12:54 am to supatigah
Managing is like holding a dove in your hand. Squeeze too hard and you kill it, not hard enough and it flies away. - Tommy Lasorda
Dave Roberts squeezed the shite out of his team.
Let them play.
Dave Roberts squeezed the shite out of his team.
Let them play.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 1:06 am to supatigah
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There is a “baseball man’s intuition” element to the game you can’t just ignore. Otherwise why have a manager in the dugout at all?
And it's in every sport and it's definitely with people who have been around the sport long enough or managed.
There's almost nobody in today's game because it's all numbers...and other bullshite...that would put their job on the line and trot out an injured (didn't even appear for the lineups) player to bat in the most crucial moment of a game like Lasorda did with Gibson.
The guy was listed as non-active by the media. He was not introduced as an active player before the game. He was considered out.
He was at the stadium getting treatment and Lasorda pulled him off the trainers table by making a phone call to the clubhouse and Gibson had two icepacks on his knees at the start of the 9th inning.
But Lasorda said, I just wanted to see if he thought he could hit. And I was told he jumped off that trainer's table and ripped off his ice-packs and to hell with them saying you're not going to see Gibson tonight...then I knew I was going with him.
That's baseball instincts. Knowing your players and if they're ready or not and whose hot and who is not.
This post was edited on 10/28/18 at 1:08 am
Posted on 10/28/18 at 7:40 am to reauxl tigers
this series would be over IF cora had simply put puig on 1st in game 3 when score was 2-1 boston and pitch to barnes, forced out at every base, barnes hasn't hit his weight...
Posted on 10/28/18 at 8:16 am to reauxl tigers
Everything is analytics
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