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re: What miracles would Jesus need to do today to show His divinity?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Jesus should have known, he did know, that man was not strong enough to freely follow the teachings of Christ. Man is rebellious and easily gives in to vice.
Right. The whole business is not that God needs to show who he is. He knows that and in our heart of hearts we do too. Like you say, he knows we're fallen, lapsed, from our original wholesome relationship with him.
Problem is, we don't know how bad we've fallen and the extent of the lapse. Oh, we say we do but we don't really mean it. We can do it all ourselves.
So we get the 10 Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount and God says have at it, go for it, do it on your own, and if you get it right, you get the prize, with me, in Paradise, forever. But you gotta do it all perfectly day in, day out, not just physically and outwardly, but in your mind, in your heart, in your soul, with all that's in you, perfectly, from now till the day I call you to heaven when you die. Deal?
Nobody succeeds, ever. That failure of our attempts to obey and please God through our own self righteous efforts is intended to show us our helplessness and our need for God's mercy. His son is our salvation and solution.
St. Paul wrote that the Law was a taskmaster to lead us to Christ. We are only accepted by and acceptable to God by relying on Jesus and his death and resurrection, relying on him like your overboard in a hurricane. That kind of relying is what the Bible means when it tells us to "believe". Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:28 pm to OweO
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But did this really happen? I mean, that's what it says in the bible, but how do you know for sure that it was actually done?
We have the eyewitness accounts of those who followed him daily. They preached his death and resurrection in a time when it was very unpopular to do so. Why would they spread lies when it was almost certainly going to bring them persecution or death? A liar makes a terrible martyr.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:50 pm to Pectus
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What miracles would Jesus need to do today to show His divinity?
Fix our kicking game.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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But God wants our faith, not our indentured servitude
So we were created as the only rational creatures on earth and if we follow our rationality we will be condemned to eternal hellfire?
Seems like a raw deal to me. I feel like any gamble where a possible outcome is eternal torture (even if the chances are minuscule) wouldn’t be worth it.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:54 pm to Pectus
If he flies like Superman then I'll start singing Power in the Blood
Posted on 10/16/18 at 11:08 pm to Outlaw
We have hugely varying accounts.
And for the most part believing in Jesus was not of persecution and death.
And for the most part believing in Jesus was not of persecution and death.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 11:27 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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We are only accepted by and acceptable to God by relying on Jesus and his death and resurrection, relying on him like your overboard in a hurricane. That kind of relying is what the Bible means when it tells us to "believe". Nothing more, nothing less.
essentially "don't think... just believe" even though it's coming from the pages of a book, written by some people claiming divine inspiration.
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He knows that and in our heart of hearts we do too.
no, we don't.
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Like you say, he knows we're fallen, lapsed, from our original wholesome relationship with him.
why are we "fallen?" who determined this bs?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:31 am to scottfruget
God would have to drown out social media for 40 days and 40 nights.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 12:46 am to PortHudsonPlaya
[img]How was it easier back then to make a blind man see? A cripple walk?[/img]
No cameras and hearing god talk to you was considered enlightening back then instead of a mental illness.
No cameras and hearing god talk to you was considered enlightening back then instead of a mental illness.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:53 am to PortHudsonPlaya
Are you saying that Jesus is deep-closet gay? Because Tebow is definitely deep-closet gay.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 6:02 am to Outlaw
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We have the eyewitness accounts of those who followed him daily. They preached his death and resurrection in a time when it was very unpopular to do so. Why would they spread lies when it was almost certainly going to bring them persecution or death? A liar makes a terrible martyr.
This is false. The gospels were written 2-3 generations after Jesus was supposed to have lived.
There are zero contemporary accounts of Jesus's life.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 6:04 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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Nobody succeeds, ever. That failure of our attempts to obey and please God through our own self righteous efforts is intended to show us our helplessness and our need for God's mercy. His son is our salvation and solution.
The fact that some humans believe this garbage is the best evidence that we are talking monkeys.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 6:19 am to Pectus
Add twenty million to my bank account
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:25 am to reddy tiger
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The gospels were written 2-3 generations after Jesus was supposed to have lived.
The Gospel according to John was probably the latest dated Gospel, but it was still written by the apostle John who was an eyewitness.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:29 am to Pectus
What more proof would you need than Lazarus?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:32 am to Outlaw
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 7:33 am
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:39 am to Pectus
He would make a killing with his show in Vegas.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 10:39 am to Outlaw
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The Gospel according to John was probably the latest dated Gospel, but it was still written by the apostle John who was an eyewitness.
this is incorrect
it was written ~100 years after he died if my memory serves.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:38 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It won't cost me a penny after I'm dead.
For someone who champions themself as sharp, you sure swung and missed on that reply.
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