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re: I am encouraged
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:38 pm to Zeek
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:38 pm to Zeek
Yes, this is a very good example of a head coach going from being average or subpar to achieving greatness. In O's case, we all know he was as atrocious as atrocious can get, so YES, I REALIZE he was way more of a dice roll. And I do not know if O can achieve greatness, he certainly had a major setback last season losing to Troy; but if he does pull it off, talk about a complete 180 and just an incredible story.
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 11:40 pm
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:50 pm to Zeek
We are all hoping this is true. Still, it feels like the end of an era. The best football era of our lives. Every year we were in the discussion. Had the talent. A coach that had won it all before. Anything was possible.
Now, I am just looking forward to browning that roux and passing out the bourbons at game time. Feels different man.
Now, I am just looking forward to browning that roux and passing out the bourbons at game time. Feels different man.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:25 am to Tigerdev
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Still, it feels like the end of an era.
The golden era ended on 1/9/12.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:28 am to Zeek
Yeah cuz clearly a Super Bowl and NC winning coach and Ed Orgeron are very similar. Please stop with these threads. We are so close. Can we just hold off for a few more days. We won’t know everything but at least we will have SOMETHING to go on. 3 days.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:33 am to Zeek
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has to include the 9-4 LSU record
9-3 while playing a SOS ranked #5 in the nation got our last coach almost fired. Now, 9-4 playing a SOS in the 30ies is something positive?
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it's about the dudes
Then, what explains our Troy loss and Mississippi State arse kicking because we most certainly has the dudes vastly superior to the Troy dudes and at least equal to State dudes?
I am encouraged too. I don't think it possible for LSU to play as poorly again as they did in their first five games last year.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 12:38 am to ExpoTiger
You are talking from a hindsight perspective. I am talking about the beginnings. Do you not understand, because if you did you would see what I am saying. I am not predicting anyone's future. I am just encouraged , about the potential, possibilities.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:13 am to LSU Groupee
Okay I personally don't think that 9-3, or 9-4 is bad. But , I do know and understand the expectations for LSU football. As far as Troy, our defensive line was limited. First it wasn't deep to begin with, and then our dudes got hurt mainly our best d lineman. Then our home run hitter Guice, didn't play.And lastly I don't think that the Troy loss was as bad as everyone else. The Clemson team that won the National Championship beat the Ohio State Buckeyes 31-0 in the playoffs. Well that same team beat Troy 31-24 earlier in the season. They did not push Troy around,and it was a hard earned victory for them. Actually I believe, that if they didn't have Deshaun Watson they would have lost. Personally, I would love to know what Dabo Swinney thinks of Troy. Go watch, Troy Vs Clemson 2016 then tell me how you feel about them, and don't lie,be honest. Miss state was bound to put a whopping on us eventually. They outplayed us the previous 2 years in the second half of both games. Last year they finally put a whole game together, as far as energy levels. And it was the first time in years, that they were either stronger, or just as strong as us in the trenches. Right now, I believe that we are in a better place, time will tell. And it is always about the dudes,and if it isn't .I don't want to hear nothing about our recruiting rankings, or about who we didn't get.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 1:34 am to Zeek
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Miss state was bound to put a whopping on us eventually
That's the reason for the miss st are kicking? "It was time"
How can you say this with a straight face?
Posted on 8/31/18 at 2:16 am to Zeek
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And I also learned that coach O is using some of Pete Carroll's methods.
Hopefully not the ones that garner nicknames like "Cheat Carroll."
Posted on 8/31/18 at 2:24 am to SportTiger1
I think that I said more than that, but if that is all you got....
Posted on 8/31/18 at 7:03 am to Jack Crevalle
Looking back, yes.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 8:01 am to NoGeaux
None of the Ole Miss Stuff matters anymore. He was 6 and 2 and then 9 and 4 with 6 SEC wins. He is a couple of field goals and Guice remembering the play from 17 and 4 overall. And if Jackson and Battle could tackle we beat ND
Posted on 8/31/18 at 8:19 am to Solo Cam
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Don’t compare him to Pete Carroll. Please just don’t.
Do you want to compare him to Bill Belichik who was 36-44 with an owner that wouldn't pay to upgrade his roster while looking to move out of Cleveland.
Les Miles was 28-21 at OSU and and 114-34 at LSU.
Or how about Nick Saban who was 34-24-1 at MSU and 15-17 in the NFL and 132-20 at Alabama with top recruiting classes year in and year out.
Funny how coaches are average when there is parity, suck when there players aren't as good and become better when they have a distinct talent advantage.
The perfect example is Chuck Fairbanks He was was 52-15-1 at Oklahoma with 3 Big 8 Championships in 6 seasons at Oklahoma (1967-1792). That landed him the New England Patriots HC in the NFL where parity is king. He was a pedestrian 46-39 in 6 seasons there. Then he returned to the Big 8 where he went 7-26 in 3 seasons because he didn't have the horses to compete with Misouri and Kansas more less Nebraska and Oklahoma.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 9:03 am to mhc4tigers
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None of the Ole Miss Stuff matters anymore. He was 6 and 2 and then 9 and 4 with 6 SEC wins. He is a couple of field goals and Guice remembering the play from 17 and 4 overall. And if Jackson and Battle could tackle we beat ND
Oh cool didn’t realize we were awarding IFs as Ws now
So can we take away the punt return in the AU game? UF dropping an easy pick 6 or missing an XP? Hell Syracuse very well could have beat us if they caught a few more breaks. This is not a game you want to play.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 9:05 am to Zeek
“ I don’t think that Troy loss was as bad...”
We lost at home to a Sun Belt conference team that we dwarfed talent wise. There is absolutely no good excuse for LSU losing that game. We hadn’t lost to a non-power five conference team in over 15 years.
As for as Mississippi State is concerned, they were a well coached team with good talent. We had owned Mississippi State for approximately the last 15 years. I think I record was like 13-1 and one against them. Losing to them was one thing, getting our asses handed to us was another. It was the worst loss to them in series history. Pretending that it was no big deal because we were due to lose eventually, is simply silly.
Both the team and the coaches staff should be congratulated for recovering from those two terrible losses and not just collapsing. But that doesn’t negate the fact that our first five games of last season were about as bad of LSU football that I have seen since the 1990s.
As far as the thread topic is concerned, I am neither encouraged or discouraged. I am simply in a wait to see mode. Three of the four losses we incurred last season took the shine all of the LSU football program for me. Hopefully, Coach O, the staff, and the players can put it back on in 2018.
We lost at home to a Sun Belt conference team that we dwarfed talent wise. There is absolutely no good excuse for LSU losing that game. We hadn’t lost to a non-power five conference team in over 15 years.
As for as Mississippi State is concerned, they were a well coached team with good talent. We had owned Mississippi State for approximately the last 15 years. I think I record was like 13-1 and one against them. Losing to them was one thing, getting our asses handed to us was another. It was the worst loss to them in series history. Pretending that it was no big deal because we were due to lose eventually, is simply silly.
Both the team and the coaches staff should be congratulated for recovering from those two terrible losses and not just collapsing. But that doesn’t negate the fact that our first five games of last season were about as bad of LSU football that I have seen since the 1990s.
As far as the thread topic is concerned, I am neither encouraged or discouraged. I am simply in a wait to see mode. Three of the four losses we incurred last season took the shine all of the LSU football program for me. Hopefully, Coach O, the staff, and the players can put it back on in 2018.
This post was edited on 8/31/18 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 8/31/18 at 9:06 am to Zeek
I am hopeful. I have not hit your level yet
Posted on 8/31/18 at 10:43 am to Zeek
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don't think that 9-3, or 9-4 is bad
I didn't say it was bad. You implied that O's 9-4 record has to be considered. As if it was a positive point for any LSU coach in the last 15 years.. How does a worse record than the 9-3 that almost got a guy fired become a positive for a LSU coach.
Get out of here with that Troy-Clemson game. There is a hole big enough to drive an 18 wheeler through with that argument. Clemson didn't lose. Means nothing.
The dudes are always important. So is the coaching which LSU lacked last season. We played our weakest schedule in twenty years and got defeated four times. What other year since 2002 wouldn't that have been seen as a failed season by many for LSU football?
Posted on 8/31/18 at 11:36 am to LSU Groupee
They (Clemson) didn't lose because of the dudes. You are not looking at Troy for who they are. They played Clemson tough, and beat us because they had the dudes. I don't care what place our schedule ranks, 9-4 is never mediocre.
Posted on 8/31/18 at 11:38 am to Zeek
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9-4 is never mediocre.
9-4 is literally below our average win % since 2003
Posted on 8/31/18 at 11:41 am to Zeek
quote:"I am de-pressed."
I am encouraged
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