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re: Who’s your favorite Founding Father?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:25 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:25 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Washington wins for what he did with the continental “army” alone. Not to mention everything after the war was won.
He did not want that command, was grossly unqualified as a General, was out-gunned, out supplied and repeatedly out-witted by more experienced field commanders. Reading his letters, he lost all hope multiple times, as he was facing the best supplied, best trained army in the world with a rag tag group of farmers that was starving, freezing, shoeless, largely weaponless, and just waiting for their enlistments to end so they could go back to their families. He never let his troops see his despair.
He also believed deeply in the republic. He was careful to a fault not to overstep the authority congress had bestowed upon him. During the revolution he painstakingly consulted with congress as to the boundaries of his command. After the victory, he could have been king. Instead he turned over the army and went back to farming, with no desire for power. They had to beg him to serve,yet again, as president.
Without his miraculous patience, courage and leadership, there wouldn’t have been a country or any founding fathers. The rebellion would have ended in the first year and the fathers hung for treason. The American experiment would have amounted to a historical footnote.
The other FF were great men and thinkers and did monumental things for the republic but none can approach the contributions of and example set by George Washington, imo.
He did not want that command, was grossly unqualified as a General, was out-gunned, out supplied and repeatedly out-witted by more experienced field commanders. Reading his letters, he lost all hope multiple times, as he was facing the best supplied, best trained army in the world with a rag tag group of farmers that was starving, freezing, shoeless, largely weaponless, and just waiting for their enlistments to end so they could go back to their families. He never let his troops see his despair.
He also believed deeply in the republic. He was careful to a fault not to overstep the authority congress had bestowed upon him. During the revolution he painstakingly consulted with congress as to the boundaries of his command. After the victory, he could have been king. Instead he turned over the army and went back to farming, with no desire for power. They had to beg him to serve,yet again, as president.
Without his miraculous patience, courage and leadership, there wouldn’t have been a country or any founding fathers. The rebellion would have ended in the first year and the fathers hung for treason. The American experiment would have amounted to a historical footnote.
The other FF were great men and thinkers and did monumental things for the republic but none can approach the contributions of and example set by George Washington, imo.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:33 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
The answer is George Washington, the American Cincinnatus. Some of the other founders exceeded him as writers and philosophers, but none displayed such undying loyalty to the republic over factionalism or sheer courage under fire like he did.
Seriously, go read about his actions on the battlefield both before and during the Revolution. The man was a lion and there 100% would be no USA without him.
Seriously, go read about his actions on the battlefield both before and during the Revolution. The man was a lion and there 100% would be no USA without him.
This post was edited on 7/4/18 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:39 pm to Tigerlaff
T Jefferson by a long shot
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:50 pm to heatom2
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Bonus he didn't own slaves.
That doesn’t have anything to do with anything.
In the 1700’s if you owned a lot of land, you owned slaves. It was the law of the land.
Slavery sucked. No way around it. It’s the worst things humans can do one another.
But the people who were living their lives the only way they knew how shouldn’t be judged by “highly enlightened” people that live 3 hundred years later like yourself.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:59 pm to Rebel
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That doesn’t have anything to do with anything.
In the 1700’s if you owned a lot of land, you owned slaves. It was the law of the land.
Slavery sucked. No way around it. It’s the worst things humans can do one another.
But the people who were living their lives the only way they knew how shouldn’t be judged by “highly enlightened” people that live 3 hundred years later like yourself.
I realize you like to type to see your own profound words in text, but it was a joke frickstick.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:06 pm to Gr8t8s
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Franklin has a pretty good claim as the "best all around".
Agreed. He was smart enough to not get into politics and therefore could think for himself and do some great things.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:14 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Of all the incredible minds of this great country’s beginning, I think Thomas Jefferson is my favorite.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:15 pm to Bunyan
Got to go with George Jefferson, he may not be your number one, but he is always moving on up. Have a great fourth everybody.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:25 pm to heatom2
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but it was a joke frickstick.
It’s easier to spot jokes if they are funny.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:37 pm to Rebel
Id rather be unfunny than condescending.
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This post was edited on 7/4/18 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:39 pm to heatom2
I guess congrats are in order.
You have achieved your goal. You are very unfunny.
You have achieved your goal. You are very unfunny.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:43 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Ben Franklin. He was a drunk who loved the women.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:44 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
In order of importance to the nation:
1.Thomas Jefferson
2.John Adams
3.James Madison
4.George Washington
5.Ben Franklin
6.Alexander Hamilton
1.Thomas Jefferson
2.John Adams
3.James Madison
4.George Washington
5.Ben Franklin
6.Alexander Hamilton
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:44 pm to Rebel
The funny thing is, we were making the same point. I was poking fun at the over sensitive times we live in. Nothing from the past is good because slaves, or native Americans etc.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:02 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Shocked no one has said Thomas Paine. His pamphlet Common Sense was instrumental in the American Revolution and his later works Rights of Man and the Age of Reason are vital in understanding the vision the Framers had for the Republic.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:29 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:49 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
I go for Ben franklin course this from a foggy brain with a few too many tall boys. Hope yall all having a great day and try to not be mad at folks who lived their time try to live yours
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