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re: Released body camera footage shows cops stood outside Vegas gunman's door in fear
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:11 pm to toosleaux
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:11 pm to toosleaux
What was that officers orders?
He knew he was on the floor below. Maybe it was to secure that floor while other officers were on the 32nd floor.
He knew he was on the floor below. Maybe it was to secure that floor while other officers were on the 32nd floor.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:13 pm to toosleaux
It would be interesting to know what the response was if they called it in to superiors or dispatch. There may have been an order to wait for back-up or wait for bomb squad in case the door was rigged to explode. They were completely caught off guard and I’m not sure the blame falls solely on those guys first on the scene.
In the heat of the moment, no one knew what to expect behind that door. But absent direct orders to wait, then yes, their response sure seems to indicate a lack of backbone.
In the heat of the moment, no one knew what to expect behind that door. But absent direct orders to wait, then yes, their response sure seems to indicate a lack of backbone.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:14 pm to toosleaux
quote:
"We teach officers to respond directly to the active killing. Every second that it continues to go on, more lives are at risk,"
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:25 pm to toosleaux
Protect and serve my arse.
To hide and cower.
To hide and cower.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:29 pm to toosleaux
So one was an actual police officer while another one was a trainee and the others were security guards. It's not like it was the SWAT team just hanging out. The veteran LEO should have taken more initiative but it's hard to blame security guards for not going rambo in there.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:29 pm to toosleaux
Weren't they told to wait for backup?
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:40 pm to toosleaux
Other people who are expected to knowingly risk their lives for the greater good can judge these guys.
I respectfully decline to.
I respectfully decline to.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:41 pm to toosleaux
I could maybe understand 1-3 minutes, but, holy shite, 15 minutes? That seems way too long to me. Then again, I have no idea what I would do standing outside a door hearing automatic fire. Those in glass houses...
Still seems like there should be some kind of punishment for this. They’re paid to do a dangerous job and they failed.
Still seems like there should be some kind of punishment for this. They’re paid to do a dangerous job and they failed.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:42 pm to toosleaux
It’s hard to judge. I mean shite, it was basically a fully automatic rifle vs a handgun.
I’d probably not frick with that either.
I’d probably not frick with that either.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:03 pm to toosleaux
Man this is a tough one. I wonder if they knew exactly what room the shooting was coming from? Unless you’re 100% sure it’s the room, I’m not shooting into a room where there may be innocent people. I think this and school shootings are completely different.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:22 pm to toosleaux
They were waiting on their orders from their deep state handlers
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:26 pm to toosleaux
Is this when the conspiracy theorists will say he was paid off by the saudi’s Since the saudi’s Did it
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:27 pm to toosleaux
For the people asking, the officers were told the floor and room number of where paddock was shooting from. You can hear in the video
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:28 pm to toosleaux
meh he was probably a basic patrol officer or something - if you want to expect more out of them pay more to get it.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:35 pm to toosleaux
Gordon McKernan would have rushed into that hotel room because he's a peacemaker and is blessed.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:04 pm to toosleaux
Wow.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:05 pm to toosleaux
As a firefighter, yes those guys and us are paid to do the job. As others have said, sometimes when real bullets or fire are flying people freeze up. But, sometimes it's just lack of experience being in those situations. I've seen firemen who were new freeze up at good working fires only to turn out to be exceptional firefighters after that experience. Hell I've seen guys on the ambulance freeze up on simple chest pain calls only to be some damn good medics once they get experience. I'm sure it's the same for police officers, maybe this guy even though a veteran just hasn't been in a "oh shite" situation before and didn't know how to handle it.
I never have panicked in a fire but I did panic my first time to do a rescue in a tight, dark environment, had a little claustrophobia that I never had in fire academy. I remember my mask and airpack making it worse, but protocol was to keep it on. Once I got out of sight of everyone I yanked my mask off and was fine And yes person did survive.
Tbh, if a house is fully involved we aren't going in and no department will, many will lie and say they will. If its 75% involved and someone is trapped we will. If it's 75% involved and we know nobody is in there we will stay out. When you get down to 50% involved we will go in regardless if someone is in there or not. It varies, and is just the first arriving captain's call. We've looked bad on some fires though, and we've looked really good on the majority of them. Pulled up on a fully involved house once where a lady was inside and died, her sister got on news and said there was barely any fire when we got there but we refused to go in and save her, it was on a video interview and gave us bad publicity for a long time, even though she was full of shite, I'm still pissed about that.
ETA: ON the 75% stay out, again it's captain's call, if nobody is in. Most captains don't wanna be telling a wife their husband died to save a structure with nobody inside that would have been leveled and rebuilt regardless.
I never have panicked in a fire but I did panic my first time to do a rescue in a tight, dark environment, had a little claustrophobia that I never had in fire academy. I remember my mask and airpack making it worse, but protocol was to keep it on. Once I got out of sight of everyone I yanked my mask off and was fine And yes person did survive.
Tbh, if a house is fully involved we aren't going in and no department will, many will lie and say they will. If its 75% involved and someone is trapped we will. If it's 75% involved and we know nobody is in there we will stay out. When you get down to 50% involved we will go in regardless if someone is in there or not. It varies, and is just the first arriving captain's call. We've looked bad on some fires though, and we've looked really good on the majority of them. Pulled up on a fully involved house once where a lady was inside and died, her sister got on news and said there was barely any fire when we got there but we refused to go in and save her, it was on a video interview and gave us bad publicity for a long time, even though she was full of shite, I'm still pissed about that.
ETA: ON the 75% stay out, again it's captain's call, if nobody is in. Most captains don't wanna be telling a wife their husband died to save a structure with nobody inside that would have been leveled and rebuilt regardless.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:05 pm to toosleaux
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