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re: Released body camera footage shows cops stood outside Vegas gunman's door in fear

Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:11 pm to
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131602 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:11 pm to
What was that officers orders?

He knew he was on the floor below. Maybe it was to secure that floor while other officers were on the 32nd floor.
Posted by DivotBreath
On the course
Member since Oct 2007
3527 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:13 pm to
It would be interesting to know what the response was if they called it in to superiors or dispatch. There may have been an order to wait for back-up or wait for bomb squad in case the door was rigged to explode. They were completely caught off guard and I’m not sure the blame falls solely on those guys first on the scene.

In the heat of the moment, no one knew what to expect behind that door. But absent direct orders to wait, then yes, their response sure seems to indicate a lack of backbone.
Posted by NotGrammarKnotsi
Member since Jan 2018
314 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

"We teach officers to respond directly to the active killing. Every second that it continues to go on, more lives are at risk,"
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12993 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:25 pm to
Protect and serve my arse.

To hide and cower.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:29 pm to
So one was an actual police officer while another one was a trainee and the others were security guards. It's not like it was the SWAT team just hanging out. The veteran LEO should have taken more initiative but it's hard to blame security guards for not going rambo in there.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83862 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:29 pm to
Weren't they told to wait for backup?
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79359 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:31 pm to
muh conspiracy
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22031 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:40 pm to
Other people who are expected to knowingly risk their lives for the greater good can judge these guys.

I respectfully decline to.
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2649 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:41 pm to
I could maybe understand 1-3 minutes, but, holy shite, 15 minutes? That seems way too long to me. Then again, I have no idea what I would do standing outside a door hearing automatic fire. Those in glass houses...

Still seems like there should be some kind of punishment for this. They’re paid to do a dangerous job and they failed.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66574 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:42 pm to
It’s hard to judge. I mean shite, it was basically a fully automatic rifle vs a handgun.

I’d probably not frick with that either.
Posted by DustyDinkleman
Here
Member since Feb 2012
18176 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 1:57 pm to
Those cops were toosleaux
Posted by Bojangles
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
2088 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:03 pm to
Man this is a tough one. I wonder if they knew exactly what room the shooting was coming from? Unless you’re 100% sure it’s the room, I’m not shooting into a room where there may be innocent people. I think this and school shootings are completely different.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91257 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:22 pm to
They were waiting on their orders from their deep state handlers
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68539 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:26 pm to
Is this when the conspiracy theorists will say he was paid off by the saudi’s Since the saudi’s Did it
Posted by Tom Thumb
Member since Sep 2017
1184 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:27 pm to
For the people asking, the officers were told the floor and room number of where paddock was shooting from. You can hear in the video
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:28 pm to
meh he was probably a basic patrol officer or something - if you want to expect more out of them pay more to get it.
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:35 pm to
Gordon McKernan would have rushed into that hotel room because he's a peacemaker and is blessed.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:04 pm to
Wow.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:05 pm to
As a firefighter, yes those guys and us are paid to do the job. As others have said, sometimes when real bullets or fire are flying people freeze up. But, sometimes it's just lack of experience being in those situations. I've seen firemen who were new freeze up at good working fires only to turn out to be exceptional firefighters after that experience. Hell I've seen guys on the ambulance freeze up on simple chest pain calls only to be some damn good medics once they get experience. I'm sure it's the same for police officers, maybe this guy even though a veteran just hasn't been in a "oh shite" situation before and didn't know how to handle it.

I never have panicked in a fire but I did panic my first time to do a rescue in a tight, dark environment, had a little claustrophobia that I never had in fire academy. I remember my mask and airpack making it worse, but protocol was to keep it on. Once I got out of sight of everyone I yanked my mask off and was fine And yes person did survive.

Tbh, if a house is fully involved we aren't going in and no department will, many will lie and say they will. If its 75% involved and someone is trapped we will. If it's 75% involved and we know nobody is in there we will stay out. When you get down to 50% involved we will go in regardless if someone is in there or not. It varies, and is just the first arriving captain's call. We've looked bad on some fires though, and we've looked really good on the majority of them. Pulled up on a fully involved house once where a lady was inside and died, her sister got on news and said there was barely any fire when we got there but we refused to go in and save her, it was on a video interview and gave us bad publicity for a long time, even though she was full of shite, I'm still pissed about that.

ETA: ON the 75% stay out, again it's captain's call, if nobody is in. Most captains don't wanna be telling a wife their husband died to save a structure with nobody inside that would have been leveled and rebuilt regardless.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 3:08 pm
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
28924 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 3:05 pm to
Everyone's a hero behind a keyboard
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