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re: How many people here are personally pro-choice but oppose RvW based on state’s rights?
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:30 pm to Volvagia
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:30 pm to Volvagia
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But statements like that are why honest conversations are so difficult.
The truth isn’t easy or difficult. It’s just the truth. Abortion is ending the life of an unborn infant....which is considered killing under any other circumstance.
It’s got nothing to do with religion. It’s about what’s right and wrong. If the majority agrees something is right does that make it right?
If that makes you uncomfortable you need to ask yourself why.
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Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:32 pm to autodd03
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Who is killing babies?
What do you consider abortion to be? If you’re pro choice that’s your prerogative but let’s not pretend that it’s something it’s not.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:32 pm to Volvagia
I am anti abortion
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:34 pm to Andychapman13
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ever be morally justified
Moral justification is not the issue. The issue is that it’s her call and you and me shouldn’t have the power to force her to raise a child.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:37 pm to SquatchDawg
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The truth isn’t easy or difficult. It’s just the truth. Abortion is ending the life of an unborn infant....
Which by definition is not a baby, so calling it such isn’t truth.
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If that makes you uncomfortable you need to ask yourself why.
is that what you got from the post? The topic doesn’t make me uncomfortable.
And the latter part of the post is involving holier than thou assholes. Case in point here: you seem to be implying I’m wrong and “need” to be taught the way. That deep down I know this.
It’s literally no different from protests on bourbon for Mardi Gras or WBC protesting a funeral. But those typically have different beliefs so they are simply “wrong.”
As opposed to accepting the reality that it is possible for more than one valid opinion to exist.
This post was edited on 7/1/18 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:45 pm to Volvagia
Volvagia, I think you're playing man still. Also, it's plain and simple. Abortions are killing babies. No way to snowflake lefty spin that Rachael Maddow. Thou shalt not kill. Jesus made it easy. You should listen.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 9:07 pm to Volvagia
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Which by definition is not a baby, so calling it such isn’t truth.
I don’t believe that exiting the womb provides a legal status that doesn’t exist prior to that. If a baby is delivered prematurely does it all of a suddenly have inalienable rights that it wouldn’t otherwise have if carried to term? Baby, infant, unborn child...use whatever term you like.
And let’s talk about semantics. My description is a hell of a lot closer to what abortion is than Pro Choice or Women’s Right to Choose or Women’s Health...or whatever.
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involving holier than thou assholes. Case in point here: you seem to be implying I’m wrong and “need” to be taught the way.
This cracks me up. Why am I a holier than thou a-hole for saying that our best solution is for people to eventually come to the realization that this is a bad thing to be doing? If I thought all poor people should be euthanized would anyone that disagreed with me be a holier than thou a-hole?
I’m not a religious nut..I don’t picket clinics or yell at people. I just had a moment of clarity where I realized that this is truly a barbaric practice. You may not agree and I’m good with that...but it doesn’t change what it is.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 9:15 pm to Deesgnutz
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Jesus made it easy
It’s got nothing to with Jesus but that’s a good straw man. Its just a bad practice and I hope one day people come to this realization.
If this happens would you be disappointed? Or is the world a better place with abortions being celebrated as a core political benefit to supporting progressives? For some of these people it’s treated like a status symbol.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 10:20 pm to TBoy
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The issue is that it’s her call and you and me shouldn’t have the power to force her to raise a child.
Not trying to be argumentative...but at what point is her right to choose negated by the right of her child to live? I know this is a nuclear subject as already demonstrated in this thread but framing this solely as the woman’s right doesn’t seem right to me.
I assume you don’t agree with the position that a mother still has this right after birth...but some radical pro choicers have floated this out there. At what point are the rights of the child considered?
After birth abortion - Slate.com
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:11 am to Volvagia
quote:This is a bit simplified, but I am generally on-board. I strongly support abortion rights thru at least the first trimester, but I just do not see support for a Constitutional protection anywhere in the text of the Constitution.
How many people here are personally pro-choice but oppose RvW based on state’s rights?
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 10:16 am
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:14 am to Parmen
quote:Anyone with an IQ above room-temperature who finds himself in agreement with Parmen ... that person should probably reassess his position as a matter of course.
Abortion should be banned in all states. Everyone who has one performed and the doctors who perform them should be charged with feticide.
Only time I can condone it is if the childbirth will kill the mother.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:15 am to Volvagia
Conservatives
"It should be up to the states whether a woman can murder her baby or not, not the feds"
lol yall just as dumb as the "it's her body/her choice" crowd.
Morons.
"It should be up to the states whether a woman can murder her baby or not, not the feds"
lol yall just as dumb as the "it's her body/her choice" crowd.
Morons.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:17 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:Yeah, that's a very poor statement of the position.
"It should be up to the states whether a woman can murder her baby or not, not the feds"
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:20 am to Volvagia
It should be left up to the states.
Personally, if I were a woman and ultrasound tests confirmed that my baby would be a retard I'd opt for an abortion. Otherwise I would have the child regardless of whether or not it was planned.
Personally, if I were a woman and ultrasound tests confirmed that my baby would be a retard I'd opt for an abortion. Otherwise I would have the child regardless of whether or not it was planned.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:21 am to SCLibertarian
It takes brains and consistency to support individual rights with which you personally disagree. Most people have neither.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:23 am to IceTiger
quote:And if a state is an authoritarian pit, one can avoid living THERE, too.
I'm pro life, but think it should be left to the states...legally
Staunchly...then if the state is a murdering jackwagon I can avoid living there...
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:29 am to llfshoals
quote:I do not call you an idiot for your analysis that a “fetus is a person,” even if I have reached a different conclusion.
The vast majority of the pro-abortion crowd fails to recognize that there is a human being who is killed in that procedure.
Instead, I call you an idiot for your stubborn refusal to acknowledge that your opponents do not “fail to recognize” your premise that a “human being is killed.” They have evaluated the matter with as much attention as you, and they have reached the conclusion that no human being IS being killed.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 10:31 am to AggieHank86
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They have evaluated the matter with as much attention as you, and they have reached the conclusion that no human being IS being killed.
Camille Paglia disagrees with you. And she's pro choice.... for any reason.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:43 pm to AggieHank86
quote:I didn’t call it a person, you did. Person is a subjective term used to define a human being that society has determined should have rights. There have been many instances where a human being was defined as a non-person in order to kill or enslave them.
I do not call you an idiot for your analysis that a “fetus is a person,” even if I have reached a different conclusion
quote:Science has proven with zero dispute that is is a human being. Biology, Human physiology, Genetics even Taxonomy. All are of one accord that is indisputably a human being, genetically complete and a separate individual from the moment of conception.
Instead, I call you an idiot for your stubborn refusal to acknowledge that your opponents do not “fail to recognize” your premise that a “human being is killed.” They have evaluated the matter with as much attention as you, and they have reached the conclusion that no human being IS being killed.
Not one single law that deals with abortion permission will refer to the fetus as a human being. They will all use the term “person”. There is a reason for that, because as a non-person they can deny their civil rights, as a human being they cannot.
So you can run from the truth if you like, but I will not let you evade it.
A is A.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 2:48 pm to Volvagia
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Which by definition is not a baby, so calling it such isn’t truth.
Hey dumb shite. Question for you.
If I punch your wife in the stomach killing he 3 month old fetus, have I committed murder?
Of course I have, how is this possible though since murder is the illegal taking of a human life? Dumb frick, the law in EVERY state recognizes that a fetus is a human life.
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