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re: Madison County, MS sheriff's deputy shoots and kills man UPDATE PAGE 9 - Self defense
Posted on 6/10/18 at 4:22 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Posted on 6/10/18 at 4:22 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:According to this site here are the following stats of the recipients from FY 2017:
I would say that the average quality pool for NROTC scholarships or Academy slots is probably higher than most Ivy League schools. Average ACT in my year group of over 30 with high/superior athletic ability. And this was in the early 90’s when we didn’t have ACT prep classes and only took it once without the advantage of pre-tests etc....oh and I was accepted in the 1 Ivy League school I applied for.
FY17 NROTC Marine Op 4 Year National Scholarship Selection Stats
quote:
Male
Average SAT: 1240
Average ACT: 28
Average PFT: 270
Female
Average SAT: 1221
Average ACT: 28
Average PFT: 262
quote:Just as a comparison, Ohio State's most recent freshman class had an average ACT score of 29.2 with an acceptance rate of 49%. So the pool of applicants is clearly much better if even at nearly 5 times the acceptance rate, OSU's freshman have an ACT score 0.22 standard deviations above the NROTC recipients.
Of the 2514 applicants, 336 were selected for scholarships, for a 13% selection rate.
But I'm sure it's easier to get into an Ivy League school.
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Posted on 6/10/18 at 4:40 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:West Point ACT Scores and GPA
So you think the average ACT of an academy grad or NROTC scholarship applicant is much lower than that?
quote:I mean I don’t come from genius lineage, but my mom has two first cousins who attended West Point, one who retired as a Brigadier General. And they didn’t exactly attend a school that really prepared them for post-secondary education and college admission tests at all, so they were somehow able to make up for that too.
The average ACT score composite at West Point is a 28
They are obviously highly intelligent, as anyone who gets into the Academies, but I would imagine the academies select a comparable or even better group of students than the rotc scholarships.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 4:45 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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So you think the average ACT of an academy grad or NROTC scholarship applicant is much lower than that?
Not sure about “much.” But “significantly,” yes.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 4:53 pm to buckeye_vol
Glad to know you can white knight. So outside of Harvard basically the average is somewhere near a 32 for Ivy League schools. Let’s just say I would have made it in. Then you have to factor in you have to have some athletic ability which I doubt applies to Ivy League schools and maybe with several recent wars the “best and brightest” aren’t applying like they used too. Lastly, none of this matters considering the initial reply was to ANC saying LEO and military come from the bottom of the barrel of society. But carry on, glad to know how little you two respect the professional Military Officer Corps and like to get “facials” from liberal Ivy League grads.
Article with Avg Ivy School ACT scores
Article with Avg Ivy School ACT scores
Posted on 6/10/18 at 5:07 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Settle down, Cletus. His post was more incorrect than yours. Turns out you were just off and he was dead wrong.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 5:27 pm to Wienerboy
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Paging anyone from the kneeling section of the NFL . This is what you are supposedly crying about so will you be interested in this tragedy if her accounts are true? Or will you continue to be a bunch of lyning egotistical whining little bitches because Trump bent you over and humiliated you for being the uneducated liberals that you are. That goes for you to Lebron
Posted on 6/10/18 at 5:39 pm to AU66
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Our society puts law emforcement lives above ordinary citizens
Yep.
This is a huge problem.
A cop's life is not worth more or less as mine.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 5:50 pm to Tiguar
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That's murder
Absolute murder as described
Posted on 6/10/18 at 6:00 pm to the808bass
quote:Huh? I found data (although maybe it’s wrong), that shows the average ACT score is even less than Ohio State’s, let alone an Ivy school. They are all still great scores though.
Turns out you were just off and he was dead wrong.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 6:03 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:I agree with you about this, although I think your standard rank and file LEO in many places and your enlisted serviceman are more likely to be less capable than the emotional and cognitive demands of such positions would ideally require, although not bottom of the barrel.
Lastly, none of this matters considering the initial reply was to ANC saying LEO and military come from the bottom of the barrel of society.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 6:07 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Huh? I found data (although maybe it’s wrong), that shows the average ACT score is even less than Ohio State’s, let alone an Ivy school. They are all still great scores though.
Since you can not seem to put it together I will help you out....he was talking about ANC.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 6:09 pm to buckeye_vol
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many places and your enlisted serviceman are more likely to be less capable than the emotional and cognitive demands of such positions would ideally require, although not bottom of the barrel.
Agreed abt enlisted, not officers.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 6:41 pm to buckeye_vol
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I agree with you about this, although I think your standard rank and file LEO in many places and your enlisted serviceman are more likely to be less capable than the emotional and cognitive demands of such positions would ideally require, although not bottom of the barrel.
I think you average enlisted guy is as capable, if not more so, than your average LEO. It all comes down to how well trained they are to handle various situations. Think about the what training an average LEO receives after graduating their respective LE academy....slim to none. Where prior to deploying the military trains non-stop. Just my opinion but I say LEOs need monthly stand down training that cover various aspects of their respective jobs which right now they aren’t receiving.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 6:50 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:I don’t know if they are inherently more capable or not, but they sure get conditioned to be. Although I guess there is a little more courage necessary to join the military which probably helps too.
I think you average enlisted guy is as capable, if not more so, than your average LEO.
quote:Agreed. Policing shouldn’t need to require training like the military preparing for war, but since it too often results in conflicts like this, maybe it needs to now.
Just my opinion but I say LEOs need monthly stand down training that cover various aspects of their respective jobs which right now they aren’t receiving.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 6:53 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:Not in the first half of his post, which was in response to our ACT argument. But it does make more sense now. I’m just too self-involved I guess.
Since you can not seem to put it together I will help you out....he was talking about ANC.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 7:23 pm to anc
Even if the guy didn't comply he didn't deserve to be shot and killed.
I've said in many of these cases lethal force is allowed way to leniently. The guy rolling over after being tazed is not justification for shooting him
I've said in many of these cases lethal force is allowed way to leniently. The guy rolling over after being tazed is not justification for shooting him
Posted on 6/10/18 at 7:49 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Just as a comparison, Ohio State's most recent freshman class had an average ACT score of 29.2 with an acceptance rate of 49%. So the pool of applicants is clearly much better if even at nearly 5 times the acceptance rate, OSU's freshman have an ACT score 0.22 standard deviations above the NROTC recipients.
statistical significance does not equal practical significance.
The 0.22 of a sd only produces significant results with large gaps between the means, which is not present here, or very large sample sizes, which would be present here. also, at these ACT scores, the difference does not translate into much difference in percentile. I think both are at or above the 90th percentile.
More importantly, selection for the NROTC uses a different set of criteria that makes this comparison useless to begin with.
You guys are having a pointless argument.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 8:07 pm to starsandstripes
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You guys are having a pointless argument.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I find this to be frustrating and terrifying. I don't think of Natchez Trace as being a dangerous place, and that bothers me deeply.
Pointless argument? Why not? At least we won't be tasered at our keyboards.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 8:45 pm to real turf fan
The longer the police wait to say anything, the more of a frick up I assume it was.
Posted on 6/10/18 at 9:44 pm to Dienekes
You do know the Univ. of Cali peaceful protestors were give $1 million, don't you? So who was surrounded? Even if surrounded, who had guns? Police had full riot gear.
Go watch the full youtube video.
Go watch the full youtube video.
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