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Install cabinets before or after laying hardwood?

Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:21 pm
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:21 pm
Different opinions out there so soliciting a few more here.

3/4” solid hardwood floor.

3/4” plywood subfloor over concrete slab, above-grade.

Cabinets would be installed on top of plywood or the hardwood. Outside of the the cabinets being 35.25” from the floor vs. 36”, any difference or thought from the board?
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 10:27 pm
Posted by Jack Daniel
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:26 pm to
I’m installing cabinets before hardwood floor.

1) reduce costs of flooring. No sense in paying for something you won’t see.
2) cabinets will be easier to install on flat subfloor

But I will run flooring under dishwasher
Posted by Warrior Poet
Living Rent-Free in Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
8027 posts
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:36 pm to
Always before.

It creates tons of problems with leveling if you do it the other way and as JD said it’s a waste of money on flooring
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 5:27 am to
I'm on the after list. If one installs it before, that flooring will not have a finish coat. That leaves a very good chance of that wood to pick up moisture over time. If that happens, that flooring will buckle and will buckle the flooring out that is finished.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/9/18 at 6:09 am to
It will definitely buckle due to moisture since it will be getting lots of rain. snicker (outdoor board)
Posted by Smirkeaux
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/9/18 at 6:10 am to
after...2 reasons. Easier to finish with them out of the way and also the time you save by not having to cut and fit floor around them makes it quicker.

You can do the areas under the cabinets with smaller scraps to safe money or not fully cover the area but just cover the outline of the cabinets.

I did the same with tile. Just made sure the edges were supporting the cabinets. Under the stove and fridge I used all the off cuts or chipped tiles.
This post was edited on 5/10/18 at 6:44 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68474 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 6:11 am to
quote:

before
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25188 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 8:18 am to
After. If you ever have to pull up those hardwood floors for any reason, it’ll be a lot easier if the flooring wasn’t run under the cabinets too.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/9/18 at 8:19 am to
How are you finishing the baseboards? Will they be installed before flooring, or will you use a shoe mold?

If you want to avoid using a shoe mold, you’d have to lay the floors before the cabinets.

Typically, cabinets are installed prior to flooring. The height difference is not noticeable, if that is your concern.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3777 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 8:33 am to
Definitely install cabinets before flooring. I just had to rip up and replace a good section of hardwood in my kitchen due to a icemaker leak. If those floors had been run under my cabinets, and they buckled there, this fix would have been a LOT more painful.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18926 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 8:38 am to
Before and set the cabinets according to finished floor height. That way when the flooring and trim are done you dont see shims or blocks.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 8:50 am to
quote:

How are you finishing the baseboards? Will they be installed before flooring, or will you use a shoe mold?


After. Will have shoe molding.
Posted by Jack Daniel
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:02 am to
If you will have shoe molding, then you install baseboards before flooring and put shoe molding down after floors.
Posted by Marlbud
Member since Jun 2017
964 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:07 am to
If you don't mind me asking, what is that HW floor setting you back a square foot? My wife and I are to remodel our house and I fear the flooring.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:12 am to
quote:

If you will have shoe molding, then you install baseboards before flooring and put shoe molding down after floors.


It’ll be installed unfinished. So my understanding there is to wait on baseboard.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:14 am to
quote:

If you don't mind me asking, what is that HW floor setting you back a square foot? My wife and I are to remodel our house and I fear the flooring.


#2 southern long leaf old growth pine with 50% heart

$1.75/ft unfinished + $550 shipping direct from mill
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44962 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 9:27 am to
If you are doing it right, install hardwoods first. In the future if you have a remodel, it could be difficult to match.
Posted by halleburton
Member since Dec 2009
1605 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:28 am to
Hardwoods first, should have at least 1 coat of poly too if not pre-finished. Shoe mould looks like shite on a nice set of cabinets. Cabinets are one of the last things that go in (for me at least) bc they will get beat to hell during construction.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23425 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

In the future if you have a remodel, it could be difficult to match


I'm sorry but I have to Lol at this. You don't do something in a new kitchen to prepare for a remodel. If you have a plan to expand due to finances maybe. But the chances of someone remodeling a freshly done kitchen themselves is probably less than 5%. Very few people are living in a house for 25 years and very few people that do will remodel.

Your installer charges by the sq ft for a reason. It's harder to do more sq ft than less sq ft when you are good. Cutting pine takes zero time almost unlike tile.
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted by Boat Motor Bandit
Member since Jun 2016
1891 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:17 pm to
planning a remodel in a new cabinet install is thing single most ignorant internet thing I have read today. Congrats you are in the lead
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