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How does LSU break the 3 and gone trend?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:30 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:30 am
How do we keep players who aren’t going to be drafted until the 4th-UDFA range from leaving school early?
Don’t say it’s as simple as getting rid of O cuz this shite was happening under Miles too.
This question obviously stems from KT2 and Weathersby going undrafted. But also from an article about Sophser (sp?) where they said he could come in and start because we are going to lose Lawrence, Fehoko, abd Alexander.
Why the frick is it a foregone conclusion that we lose all three? To me this is a bigger problem than than who is at HC. You can fire a HC when he under performs but this mindset seems to be deeply rooted in the program.
Don’t say it’s as simple as getting rid of O cuz this shite was happening under Miles too.
This question obviously stems from KT2 and Weathersby going undrafted. But also from an article about Sophser (sp?) where they said he could come in and start because we are going to lose Lawrence, Fehoko, abd Alexander.
Why the frick is it a foregone conclusion that we lose all three? To me this is a bigger problem than than who is at HC. You can fire a HC when he under performs but this mindset seems to be deeply rooted in the program.
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:31 am to Bert Macklin FBI
For starters, stop selling everyone on being 3 and done from the start, sounds like O at least recognized this was hurting us more than helping.
If recruits are coming in here talking about the NFL before their first snap, it's a problem.
I take no issues in guys who truly are legit NFL prospects and had some great snaps here, but these marginal guys like KT who weren't even starters or Weathersby who couldnt even put together a season starting due to injuries need to take a step back.
If recruits are coming in here talking about the NFL before their first snap, it's a problem.
I take no issues in guys who truly are legit NFL prospects and had some great snaps here, but these marginal guys like KT who weren't even starters or Weathersby who couldnt even put together a season starting due to injuries need to take a step back.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 9:33 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:33 am to Bert Macklin FBI
We need to start recruiting our own players.
I feel Like Les took too much of a hands off approach.
Get them in touch with older guys who stayed and increased their value.
5 star guys expect to be three and done.
Just like 5 star basketball players expect to be 1 and done.
If Fehoko and Lawrence have the season we think they can have I do Think they’re gone. O needs to work on Alexander.
I feel Like Les took too much of a hands off approach.
Get them in touch with older guys who stayed and increased their value.
5 star guys expect to be three and done.
Just like 5 star basketball players expect to be 1 and done.
If Fehoko and Lawrence have the season we think they can have I do Think they’re gone. O needs to work on Alexander.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:34 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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How does LSU break the 3 and gone trend?
This will never go away. It will only continue and get worse; not just for LSU, but all large top end schools. The downfall of college football as we know it....
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:36 am to LSUfanNkaty
Doesn’t the NCAA let basketball players go through the combine and still return?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:45 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Pay the players more than they are.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:48 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Pulling in lower ranked recruiting classes should help with that.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:48 am to LSUfanNkaty
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This will never go away. It will only continue and get worse; not just for LSU, but all large top end schools. The downfall of college football as we know it....
I know it’ll never go away completely but we seems to be the only school that loses draft eligible juniors that have no business leaving.
I know this is anecdotal but you look at LSU losing 2 UDFAs and a 7th rounder abd then turn and see Clemson keep multiple DLineman that would have been drafted in the first 3 rounds.
I have no issue with the LF7s or the OBJs of the world leaving, it’s the guys that are marginal starters at LSU that I can’t understand.
What did we do differently in 2016? I know we had a disappointing year but we got both Beckwidth, Pocic, and White to come back when those are the type of players we typically lose.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:28 am to Bert Macklin FBI
It's all about getting to that second contract if you aren't a first round pick.
Will Clapp wouldn't have improved his draft spot coming back another year. He'd already graduated so why come back and put another year of wear and tear on his body while not getting paid?
I know the fans are all about LSU first but these players have to think about their futures.
Will Clapp wouldn't have improved his draft spot coming back another year. He'd already graduated so why come back and put another year of wear and tear on his body while not getting paid?
I know the fans are all about LSU first but these players have to think about their futures.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:58 am to ipodking
By getting a first down
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:01 am to SwampTrash
Lawrence will likely be a 1st round pick although it's a loaded dline class for 2019, Clemson has a bunch that will go early
Fehoko hasn't played a SEC down yet, let's see how he does on Saturdays in the SEC first
Alexander has been injured and needs to lose weight, unless he makes huge strides this year he won't be a day 1 or day 2 pick
Fehoko hasn't played a SEC down yet, let's see how he does on Saturdays in the SEC first
Alexander has been injured and needs to lose weight, unless he makes huge strides this year he won't be a day 1 or day 2 pick
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:02 am to ipodking
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Will Clapp wouldn't have improved his draft spot coming back another year.
Why is this a definite? I feel like people keep saying this to make themselves feel better but I don’t think it’s true. Clapp will never be a 1st rounder but even if he improves his stock by a round or two, it drastically increases his chances to make a team and get to that second contract.
I’m not saying that no one should go pro early, but to act like LSU doesn’t have a problem with Juniors leaving early is the same as acting like LSU hasn’t had a QB problem for the last decade.
IMO, any player that is graded as a top 3 round draft pick should leave. Players drafted in the first 3 rounds are all but guaranteed roster spots for a few years allowing them to catch on and get to the second contract.
Players drafted after round 3, are more easily dispensable. Round 4-5 guys will likely get a year or two on the PS if they don’t make the roster but 6-UDFA guys get cut all the time.
Yes I would have liked Clapp, Weathersby, and Toliver to have stayed because it would make LSU a lot better. But it also would have been better for at least Toliver and Weathersby. They could have improved their stock and gotten degrees. Sure they could come bac and get their degrees later but why not get your degree while improving your stock?
LSU needs to get these types of kids to realize that staying is mutually beneficial.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:04 am to Bert Macklin FBI
It’s definite because his draft stock was more related to measurables
Another year isn’t going to make his arms longer. He’s played pretty well and started for what like 3 years?
Another year isn’t going to make his arms longer. He’s played pretty well and started for what like 3 years?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:05 am to GatorRaiderBait
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Simple. We don’t!
Why not? To accept that you will lose every junior that had any playing time is to accept that our team will always be young at multiple spots and never truly be title contenders.
Yeah you might hit a jackpot and have a 2011 type team but how many of those caliber teams have we had without senior leaders? The answer is that we’ve had one.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:05 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I think it’s also based on the individual player tho.
We all know Godchaux should’ve come back but he went 5th round and killed it his rookie season
We all know Godchaux should’ve come back but he went 5th round and killed it his rookie season
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:07 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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I know it’ll never go away completely but we seems to be the only school that loses draft eligible juniors that have no business leaving.
There were 106 guys who declared early this year. 37 of them went undrafted. Clearly LSU is not the only school that has players leaving early that have no business doing so.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:16 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Part of it IMO is the recruiting pitch that was/is being used. If you're selling point is to get guys in and out as a NFL factory, then that is what the guys will expect.
That said, I can understand why that may have been the recruiting pitch since 1/9/12...
That said, I can understand why that may have been the recruiting pitch since 1/9/12...
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:20 am to Bert Macklin FBI
That has been the culture for years now. Just because two juniors went undrafted this year, I doubt that changes how any underclassmen are thinking. It might get them to think a tiny bit more about it, but it’s not gonna have a major effect on them. In my opinion at least.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:24 am to SammyTiger
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It’s definite because his draft stock was more related to measurables Another year isn’t going to make his arms longer. He’s played pretty well and started for what like 3 years?
Fine, I’ll concede Clapp. This thread isn’t about one player with unique circumstances such as him (graduated and lacks measurables).
2018: KT2 and Weathersby left to be UDFAs
2017: Dupre left to be a 7th rounder. Godchaux left to be a 5th rounder
2016: Jerald Hawkins left to be a 4th rounder.
2015: No major casualties. Kwon Alexander left abd was drafted in the 4th but he showed out. Also was limited by size.
2014: Anthony Johnson left abd went undrafted
2013: tharlod simon left to be a 5th rounder abd spender ware left to be a 6th rounder
2012 seems to be where this trend began. We had the mega class of Reid, Claiborne, Minho, Montgomery, Minter, Logan, and Matthieu all went in the top 3 rounds. All those guys were right to leave because they absolutely dominated the college ranks and were top 3 round prospects.
After that, it seems that our recruiting pitch changed from come compete for championships to look how many guys we have going to the NFL. Now our players feel entitled to leave after 3 years regardless of their own success.
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